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The Americans cannot step into an US embassy and be carried out in a diplomatic bag?

by verroq 7y ago

toast0 7y ago
That's probably possible, but would likely make it very hard for those evacuated in that manner to return to China in the future. It's not tourists here, it's people who went to visit their family and are now stuck.
alexis_fr 7y ago
As far as I know, occurrences of diplomatic bags for carrying persons have been extremely, extremely rare (less than a dozen) and are forbidden.
- sgift 7y ago
  > and are forbidden. That's correct - Article 27,4 of the "Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations": The packages constituting the diplomatic bag must bear visible external marks of their character and may contain only diplomatic documents or articles intended for official use. http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/convention...
  - selimthegrim 7y ago
    I think the Nigerian embassy in London forgot to read that clause
    - mattst88 7y ago
      For those like me that have never heard of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikko_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikko_affair
  - gruez 7y ago
    Can't the embassy designate them as diplomatic couriers? Article 27.5 say they have immunity, and 27.6 says they can be assigned ad hoc.
    - alexis_fr 7y ago
      They can, but the receiving country can also kick out the ambassador and, more frequently, I believe recently some country kicked more than 10 diplomats, perhaps US against Russia.
djsumdog 7y ago
huh .. Surely they've got to the US embassy. I wonder what the response was? I think there may be complications in this case due to the dual citizenship (especially with China not allowing dual citizens).
- OldHand2018 7y ago
  I don't know much about this, but [1], yes there are likely complications: > Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality. [1] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega...

The Americans cannot step into an US embassy and be carried out in a diplomatic bag?

by verroq 7y ago

The Americans cannot step into an US embassy and be carried out in a diplomatic bag?

That's probably possible, but would likely make it very hard for those evacuated in that manner to return to China in the future. It's not tourists here, it's people who went to visit their family and are now stuck.

alexis_fr 7y ago

As far as I know, occurrences of diplomatic bags for carrying persons have been extremely, extremely rare (less than a dozen) and are forbidden.

sgift 7y ago
> and are forbidden. That's correct - Article 27,4 of the "Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations": The packages constituting the diplomatic bag must bear visible external marks of their character and may contain only diplomatic documents or articles intended for official use. http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/convention...
- selimthegrim 7y ago
  I think the Nigerian embassy in London forgot to read that clause
  - mattst88 7y ago
    For those like me that have never heard of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikko_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikko_affair
- gruez 7y ago
  Can't the embassy designate them as diplomatic couriers? Article 27.5 say they have immunity, and 27.6 says they can be assigned ad hoc.
  - alexis_fr 7y ago
    They can, but the receiving country can also kick out the ambassador and, more frequently, I believe recently some country kicked more than 10 diplomats, perhaps US against Russia.

djsumdog 7y ago

huh .. Surely they've got to the US embassy. I wonder what the response was? I think there may be complications in this case due to the dual citizenship (especially with China not allowing dual citizens).

OldHand2018 7y ago
I don't know much about this, but [1], yes there are likely complications: > Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality. [1] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega...