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I agree with the rest of your points, but: Germans don't want uncontrolled groups accumulating power precisely because it could lead to a situation like Nazi G
by repolfx 7y ago
I agree with the rest of your points, but:
Germans don't want uncontrolled groups accumulating power precisely because it could lead to a situation like Nazi Germany
Uh huh. Really. Germans totally hate uncontrollable groups trying to take over Europe?
Please spare me sanctimonious Germans claiming some sort of moral high ground they don't have. In fact from a British perspective it appears Germany has learned nothing from its experiences at all. It's actually quite amazing how desperate they seem to repeat history over and over.
Germany is by far the biggest and staunchest supporter of the EU, which is literally an uncontrollable group accumulating power as fast as possible. It is partly because of hardline EU supporters like Merkel and Macron that both Switzerland and the UK are hurtling towards all out trade war with the rest of Europe, and why UK/EU talks have gone nowhere. The EU is building its own army, its democracy is a sham and it treats its own citizens with contempt, as can be seen in this remarkable blog post by the Commission (it has to be quoted now because the backlash was so huge it got taken down)
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190215/18005841607/eu-commission-decides-to-mock-public-insists-fears-about-eu-copyright-directive-are-all-myths.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190215/18005841607/eu-co...
The reason the French and German governments hate Libra is threefold:
1. They are very easily manipulated by their local press barons who perceive Facebook and Google as business threats. See the old link taxes that became Article 13 at the EU level.
2. They are institutionally cynical about their own citizens, who they see deep down as basically being stupid sheep. This shines through in their writings (see the link above) but has the more insidious effect that nobody in EU power structures really believes their own country could ever create a Google or a Facebook. So from their perspective, constantly attacking these firms is pure win: it creates an external enemy in a world without many, and these firms are usable as cash machines to keep the EU budget afloat.
3. One way the EU controls its southern member states is by letting pro-EU governments effectively buy votes by running huge deficits, financed by money printing by the ECB. If a country elects an anti-EU government, the ECB threatens to turn off the money supply until they do (this is very visible in Italy).
In other words the EU's power comes at least partly from manipulating the currency supply. This is bad for the typical German citizen who tries to save money, but good for the project of uniting Europe under a dictatorship:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/08/europe-central-bank-interest-rates-recession-germany https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/08/europe-cent...
Germany has recent experience with governments that try to take over Europe and governments that manipulate the money supply for political purposes. Indeed ECB policy is very unpopular with the Bundesbank and German government. But they can't do anything about it because their ideological commitment to EU domination overrules everything else, and the head of the EU Commission controls the ECB.
Ultimately, Germany's experience with hyperinflation, Naziism and the DDR has apparently left it convinced the moral thing to do is support a power structure that's taking over Europe as fast as possible, printing huge sums of money to do so, which is engaged in a power struggle with Britain, and which is run entirely by people who aren't elected.
- unionpivo 7y agoNot everyone living in EU hate it as much as you do. As someone living in smaller country, we now have our voice heard more than before, and other benefits of EU far outweigh the downsides. > They are institutionally cynical about their own citizens, who they see deep down as basically being stupid sheep Yeah Trump and Johnson are so much better \s. Every country has politicians like that.
- repolfx 7y agoActually they are much better! Trump ran on an explicitly populist platform ("I listen to you, the elites don't") and Johnson is currently staring down the threat of a jail sentence because he's trying to actually leave the EU, as voters requested. They are much more guided by what's popular with voters than EU leaders are. And yes I know lots of people living in the EU think it's great. Lots of people living in the USSR thought it was great too, as can be seen from the opinion polls showing how many Russian think Stalin was their greatest leader. That doesn't change the nature of what these systems are.
- unionpivo 7y agoWhat Trump ran on and what Trump does are two different things. And Boris (among many others), more or less engineered the whole brexit so he could gain power, if that fails he is done. He is doing it because he bet his whole career on it, and has nothing to loose. And as someone who lived (although only for about 12 years of my life) behind iron curtain. I can assure you most people didn't think it was ok, and we are paying attention so we don't end up in the same situation again.
- seebs 7y agoSo Trump ran on basically the same platform as Hitler ("I listen to you! I will fix things and make us great! Other people are bad and a threat to us!") and you think this is better? Part of what we usually want from our politicians is to filter what people want a little bit and remove some of the evil and stupid. I know, then we don't get exactly what we want. But if you ask exactly what people want, about 90% of it ends up being "people not like me to suffer more", and if you run everything based on that, all you get is everyone suffering more.