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Well, great. Exactly 0 people are "forced" to pay into a union they don't want to be a part of! If you don't want a union job the solution is simple: don't take

Well, great. Exactly 0 people are "forced" to pay into a union they don't want to be a part of! If you don't want a union job the solution is simple: don't take that job. But I guess the numerous benefits you enjoy today because of unions don't matter all.

mlrtime 7y ago
Not true https://www.nrtw.org/required-join-pay-private/ https://www.nrtw.org/required-join-pay-private/
- matchbok 7y ago
  Last time I checked no job was mandatory in this country. If a job is unionized, don't take it. Sounds pretty simple to me.
  - wernercd 7y ago
    If a union is worth the membership, why make it mandatory? Shouldn't it sell itself? Reality is... that's obviously not true.
wernercd 7y ago
As of today... that may be true. It wasn't this way a few short years ago. https://reason.com/2019/04/09/janus-211000-workers-fled-seiu-afscme/ https://reason.com/2019/04/09/janus-211000-workers-fled-seiu... And, as expected... those who aren't forced to pay - don't. Because the fees aren't worth it in most cases. > I guess the numerous benefits don't matter As I said... in some cases and at one point most unions did "Good Things (tm)". But like most "Good Things (tm)" that time has ended - for most unions - and we are in a point where the unions are largely useless and extra baggage that causes more harm than good. And again - your "Unions don't matter? /tear" doesn't approach what is personally my main problem: My inability to decide where union dues go to.
- matchbok 7y ago
  You aren't following. Before that law if a worker saw a company that was unionized they had every right to not take that job. If the job decided to unionize while he/she was employed, that worker also had the right to leave. There is no "force" at play, at all, no matter what reason.com or breitbart tells you. That lawsuit was about enabling free riders with the ultimate goal of kneecapping unions. Arguing otherwise is silly.
  - wernercd 7y ago
    You say kneecapping unions... I say not being a slave to an institution that doesn't represent me. You say "they have every right not to take the job"... I say "if Unions were worth the price, they wouldn't have to force membership" I'm not following? I know what unions are and what they aren't.

mlrtime 7y ago

Not true https://www.nrtw.org/required-join-pay-private/ https://www.nrtw.org/required-join-pay-private/

matchbok 7y ago
Last time I checked no job was mandatory in this country. If a job is unionized, don't take it. Sounds pretty simple to me.
- wernercd 7y ago
  If a union is worth the membership, why make it mandatory? Shouldn't it sell itself? Reality is... that's obviously not true.

wernercd 7y ago

As of today... that may be true. It wasn't this way a few short years ago. https://reason.com/2019/04/09/janus-211000-workers-fled-seiu-afscme/ https://reason.com/2019/04/09/janus-211000-workers-fled-seiu... And, as expected... those who aren't forced to pay - don't. Because the fees aren't worth it in most cases. > I guess the numerous benefits don't matter As I said... in some cases and at one point most unions did "Good Things (tm)". But like most "Good Things (tm)" that time has ended - for most unions - and we are in a point where the unions are largely useless and extra baggage that causes more harm than good. And again - your "Unions don't matter? /tear" doesn't approach what is personally my main problem: My inability to decide where union dues go to.

matchbok 7y ago
You aren't following. Before that law if a worker saw a company that was unionized they had every right to not take that job. If the job decided to unionize while he/she was employed, that worker also had the right to leave. There is no "force" at play, at all, no matter what reason.com or breitbart tells you. That lawsuit was about enabling free riders with the ultimate goal of kneecapping unions. Arguing otherwise is silly.
- wernercd 7y ago
  You say kneecapping unions... I say not being a slave to an institution that doesn't represent me. You say "they have every right not to take the job"... I say "if Unions were worth the price, they wouldn't have to force membership" I'm not following? I know what unions are and what they aren't.