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> There isn't remotely the infrastructure to support people on a large scale This hasn't stopped the Burning Man crowd in BRC

bardworx 7y ago
But burning man provides the infrastructure. This like burning man but with no food, water, gas, place to stay, and folks possibly shooting at you...not exactly a direct comparison.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Fyre festival with military intervention.
- bigiain 7y ago
  > This like burning man but with no food, water, gas, place to stay, so just like Burningman? > and folks possibly shooting at you Or Burningman back before '99 when people were still allowed to take firearms? (Anyone else remember the Drive By Shooting Range? Drums of avgas, stuffed toys, tracer rounds, and tequila, all from the back of a moving pickup - what could possibly go wrong?)
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    > Anyone else remember the Drive By Shooting Range? Drums of avgas, stuffed toys, tracer rounds, and tequila, all from the back of a moving pickup - what could possibly go wrong? Oh my god that sounds hilarious. Also hilariously dangerous and irresponsible, but still hilarious...
    - bigiain 7y ago
      It ran for maybe 5 years from memory. 99.999% certain nobody got killed. I only got to play once. It was _amazingly_ stupid fun!
  - sneak 7y ago
    I still quite wonder how it is constitutional for the BLM to ban firearms during Burning Man.
    - paggle 7y ago
      What part of the Constitution would it violate? Is it unconstitutional to ban firearms when boarding a flight? When attending a speech by the President of the United States? When visiting your spouse in jail?
      - refurb 7y ago
        All of those examples have passed the scrutiny of the courts. Just banning firearms in large groups hasn’t.
        paggle 7y ago
        Well the only way to get court scrutiny is to gain standing and sue them.
        refurb 7y ago
        You can infer whether it would pass by past cases.
    - jazzyjackson 7y ago
      I rather expect burning man banned it themselves, they get to set the rules for their own event
      - sneak 7y ago
        It’s a federal government mandate, as burning man is on federal land administrated by the BLM.
    - cnorthwood 7y ago
      The Constitution limits what the government can do, not private citizens or corporations.
- disjhshava 7y ago
  Burning Man doesn't provide any of those things for attendees.
perl4ever 7y ago
I don't know first hand, but since it has been consistently tens of thousands of people, it's become really organized, according to what I read. The logistics aren't trivial or spontaneous. The people coming have some idea of how it works, not to mention many of them have a lot of resources.
- ToFab123 7y ago
  It wasn't always like that
jandrewrogers 7y ago
Black Rock and Area 51 are not comparable environments, Black Rock is much more forgiving for the unprepared traveller. I've gone off-roading in both regions extensively. Black Rock is a relatively temperate and populated area for Nevada, albeit rural, and Pershing County has decades of experience dealing with thousands of unprepared people. The region around Area 51 is essentially a bone-dry wasteland with a couple mining camps in the area and nothing else. The carrying capacity for excess population around Area 51 is all but non-existent, and far smaller than in the region around Black Rock.
tbabb 7y ago
Burning man has extensive planning and infrastructure, which has been built up over years of adapting to slow growth, and which goes on for months before the event opens. At burning man, people buy tickets months ahead of time, whose supply is limited, so the number of people in attendance is known. Road markings are put up on the playa to manage the huge volume of traffic entering the city (waiting in the gate line in your vehicle can take multiple hours, sometimes the better part of a day– remember, this is with good organization). Space on the playa for each camp is planned and allotted, and someone shows you to your space. Water trucks continuously spray the streets to keep the dust down. Burners know what they are responsible for. There is basically not a single piece of litter in the city, because there is a strong and highly unified culture of not-littering and being responsible for your own garbage. Similarly, burners are fully self-reliant for water because there is unified understanding that there is little safety net if you screw up and don't bring enough. This is a big one: At burning man, thousands of porta-potties are put up and routinely cleaned and pumped multiple times a day. The number of needed toilets is known because of ticket sales, and the ticket sales also pay for the toilets and their servicing. None of this is true of the coming event, however big or small it is. Experience at burning man makes me more worried about how bad this could be without planning, organization, and a unified culture that strongly emphasizes self-reliance and respect.

bardworx 7y ago

But burning man provides the infrastructure. This like burning man but with no food, water, gas, place to stay, and folks possibly shooting at you...not exactly a direct comparison.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Fyre festival with military intervention.
bigiain 7y ago
> This like burning man but with no food, water, gas, place to stay, so just like Burningman? > and folks possibly shooting at you Or Burningman back before '99 when people were still allowed to take firearms? (Anyone else remember the Drive By Shooting Range? Drums of avgas, stuffed toys, tracer rounds, and tequila, all from the back of a moving pickup - what could possibly go wrong?)
- DuskStar 7y ago
  > Anyone else remember the Drive By Shooting Range? Drums of avgas, stuffed toys, tracer rounds, and tequila, all from the back of a moving pickup - what could possibly go wrong? Oh my god that sounds hilarious. Also hilariously dangerous and irresponsible, but still hilarious...
  - bigiain 7y ago
    It ran for maybe 5 years from memory. 99.999% certain nobody got killed. I only got to play once. It was _amazingly_ stupid fun!
- sneak 7y ago
  I still quite wonder how it is constitutional for the BLM to ban firearms during Burning Man.
  - paggle 7y ago
    What part of the Constitution would it violate? Is it unconstitutional to ban firearms when boarding a flight? When attending a speech by the President of the United States? When visiting your spouse in jail?
    - refurb 7y ago
      All of those examples have passed the scrutiny of the courts. Just banning firearms in large groups hasn’t.
      - paggle 7y ago
        Well the only way to get court scrutiny is to gain standing and sue them.
        refurb 7y ago
        You can infer whether it would pass by past cases.
  - jazzyjackson 7y ago
    I rather expect burning man banned it themselves, they get to set the rules for their own event
    - sneak 7y ago
      It’s a federal government mandate, as burning man is on federal land administrated by the BLM.
  - cnorthwood 7y ago
    The Constitution limits what the government can do, not private citizens or corporations.
disjhshava 7y ago
Burning Man doesn't provide any of those things for attendees.

perl4ever 7y ago

I don't know first hand, but since it has been consistently tens of thousands of people, it's become really organized, according to what I read. The logistics aren't trivial or spontaneous. The people coming have some idea of how it works, not to mention many of them have a lot of resources.

ToFab123 7y ago
It wasn't always like that

jandrewrogers 7y ago

Black Rock and Area 51 are not comparable environments, Black Rock is much more forgiving for the unprepared traveller. I've gone off-roading in both regions extensively. Black Rock is a relatively temperate and populated area for Nevada, albeit rural, and Pershing County has decades of experience dealing with thousands of unprepared people. The region around Area 51 is essentially a bone-dry wasteland with a couple mining camps in the area and nothing else. The carrying capacity for excess population around Area 51 is all but non-existent, and far smaller than in the region around Black Rock.

tbabb 7y ago

Burning man has extensive planning and infrastructure, which has been built up over years of adapting to slow growth, and which goes on for months before the event opens. At burning man, people buy tickets months ahead of time, whose supply is limited, so the number of people in attendance is known. Road markings are put up on the playa to manage the huge volume of traffic entering the city (waiting in the gate line in your vehicle can take multiple hours, sometimes the better part of a day– remember, this is with good organization). Space on the playa for each camp is planned and allotted, and someone shows you to your space. Water trucks continuously spray the streets to keep the dust down. Burners know what they are responsible for. There is basically not a single piece of litter in the city, because there is a strong and highly unified culture of not-littering and being responsible for your own garbage. Similarly, burners are fully self-reliant for water because there is unified understanding that there is little safety net if you screw up and don't bring enough. This is a big one: At burning man, thousands of porta-potties are put up and routinely cleaned and pumped multiple times a day. The number of needed toilets is known because of ticket sales, and the ticket sales also pay for the toilets and their servicing. None of this is true of the coming event, however big or small it is. Experience at burning man makes me more worried about how bad this could be without planning, organization, and a unified culture that strongly emphasizes self-reliance and respect.