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The Houthis wouldn't be so keen to wage war on a rich, large, powerful nation like KSA if the Iranians weren't commanding them to do it. Also notice how dramat

The Houthis wouldn't be so keen to wage war on a rich, large, powerful nation like KSA if the Iranians weren't commanding them to do it. Also notice how dramatically they stepped up their campaign against KSA since Iran launched its aggressive campaign to lash out against economic sanctions. There's no inherent reasons the Houthis should be launching sophisticated, high-impact attacks on KSA on a weekly basis. This sort of escalation makes no sense within their own geopolitical context, but makes perfect sense when you consider Iran's contexts and regional goals. Same for Hezbollah group in Lebanon against Israel. All the recent tensions in that conflict can't be explained by the organic interests of the Lebanese nation or people. In fact, a conflict with Israel is against the Lebanese national interest and would lead to great destruction in Lebanon. However, Hezbollah is escalating and building up towards that very conflict. The vast majority of Hezbollah's budget is contributed by Iran: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_of_Hezbollah#Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_of_Hezbollah#Iran Iran can ill afford to make that investment if they don't get much out of it, and it's pretty accurate to say Hezbollah is acting according to the interest of Iran far more than any other set of interests, including the Lebanese interest. Hezbollah owes its power and arguably its existence to Iran. It's naive to expect it to act independently of Iranian interests.

AlexMuir 7y ago
You’ve written the same comment twice. Can you give an example of Iran’s violent lashing out?
- NeverFade 7y ago
  Most of Iran's violent actions were done by proxies, exactly as happened in this case. I provided multiple Wikipedia links with sources showing how these proxies are armed and directed by Iran. Here's another article about their military activity in Iraq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014–present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(... Besides that, they have been involved recently in multiple actions to seize oil tankers, culminating in the seizure of a British-flagged tanker: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/world/middleeast/iran-tanker-uk-hormuz.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/world/middleeast/iran-tan... They seized other tankers as well, for instance: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49225916 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49225916
pintxo 7y ago
Having just read [1], I‘d say the nation state is maybe not the right level of observation/reasoning in the middle east. [1] Prisoners of Geography: Ten Maps That Tell You Everything You Need To Know About Global Politics
- NeverFade 7y ago
  Quite a few nations in the Middle East were never organically formed. They were carved and cobbled together by various agreements, such as Sykes–Picot. The resulting creation contains an unstable combination of factions and tribes that are often hostile to each other. Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, and Iraq are all great examples of that. Many of these nations are now failed states, containing factions that are more powerful than any sort of central government or military. Chief examples of that are Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen. However, there are ME nations-states that do have a strong and coherent central government. Egypt, KSA, and Iran are examples of that. So a more accurate model would be a mixture of failed artificial states interacting with states that are more functional and coherent.
elgenie 7y ago
Huh? Saudi Arabia intervened in the Yemeni civil war in 2015 and has been doing bombing sorties against the Houthis on a regular basis. Without the Saudi intervention, the Houthis would most likely not have much of a relationship with Iran at all.
- NeverFade 7y ago
  KSA tried to restore the internationally-recognized president Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi after the Houthis ousted him. The Houthis had strong ties with Iran prior to this intervention, and in fact the KSA intervention aimed to prevent a Houthi takeover that would bring strong Iranian influence and effective control to Yemen. Either way, the KSA intervention failed, and the Houthis were able to take over and establish themselves as the dominant power in Yemen, so my assertion stand: they currently have no organic reason to launch a campaign against KSA. Normally a rebel force in this situation would focus on stabilizing their own rule in their country.
  - elgenie 7y ago
    The Houthis only control the northwestern part of Yemen, which borders Saudi Arabia. Though that represents a lot of the population, stabilizing control over the entire country is difficult when fighting on two fronts and being bombed, as they’ve been for more than four years, and with Saudi Arabian support to their opposition readily available over the border. The Saudi bombing/blockade/invasion operation “Decisive Storm“ in 2015 failed, but the followup “Restoring Hope” operation is ongoing. Also, the Houthis had launched around 200 previous drone attacks against Saudi in retaliation; this one was just significantly more successful, as opposed to a new campaign. In 2015, when the Saudi’s intervened, a UN assessment asserted that there was no evidence of Iran having any “command and control” over the Houthis at the time. If intervening in the Yemeni civil war on the side of a losing faction and bombing indiscriminately earned Saudi Arabia the Houthi’s enmity, pushed them closer to Iran, and resulted in an effective reprisal, the moral of the story would seem to be that actions have consequences and rashly attempting regional hegemony carries risk.
    - 7y ago

AlexMuir 7y ago

You’ve written the same comment twice. Can you give an example of Iran’s violent lashing out?

NeverFade 7y ago
Most of Iran's violent actions were done by proxies, exactly as happened in this case. I provided multiple Wikipedia links with sources showing how these proxies are armed and directed by Iran. Here's another article about their military activity in Iraq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014–present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(... Besides that, they have been involved recently in multiple actions to seize oil tankers, culminating in the seizure of a British-flagged tanker: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/world/middleeast/iran-tanker-uk-hormuz.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/world/middleeast/iran-tan... They seized other tankers as well, for instance: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49225916 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49225916

pintxo 7y ago

Having just read [1], I‘d say the nation state is maybe not the right level of observation/reasoning in the middle east. [1] Prisoners of Geography: Ten Maps That Tell You Everything You Need To Know About Global Politics

NeverFade 7y ago
Quite a few nations in the Middle East were never organically formed. They were carved and cobbled together by various agreements, such as Sykes–Picot. The resulting creation contains an unstable combination of factions and tribes that are often hostile to each other. Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, and Iraq are all great examples of that. Many of these nations are now failed states, containing factions that are more powerful than any sort of central government or military. Chief examples of that are Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen. However, there are ME nations-states that do have a strong and coherent central government. Egypt, KSA, and Iran are examples of that. So a more accurate model would be a mixture of failed artificial states interacting with states that are more functional and coherent.

elgenie 7y ago

Huh? Saudi Arabia intervened in the Yemeni civil war in 2015 and has been doing bombing sorties against the Houthis on a regular basis. Without the Saudi intervention, the Houthis would most likely not have much of a relationship with Iran at all.

NeverFade 7y ago
KSA tried to restore the internationally-recognized president Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi after the Houthis ousted him. The Houthis had strong ties with Iran prior to this intervention, and in fact the KSA intervention aimed to prevent a Houthi takeover that would bring strong Iranian influence and effective control to Yemen. Either way, the KSA intervention failed, and the Houthis were able to take over and establish themselves as the dominant power in Yemen, so my assertion stand: they currently have no organic reason to launch a campaign against KSA. Normally a rebel force in this situation would focus on stabilizing their own rule in their country.
- elgenie 7y ago
  The Houthis only control the northwestern part of Yemen, which borders Saudi Arabia. Though that represents a lot of the population, stabilizing control over the entire country is difficult when fighting on two fronts and being bombed, as they’ve been for more than four years, and with Saudi Arabian support to their opposition readily available over the border. The Saudi bombing/blockade/invasion operation “Decisive Storm“ in 2015 failed, but the followup “Restoring Hope” operation is ongoing. Also, the Houthis had launched around 200 previous drone attacks against Saudi in retaliation; this one was just significantly more successful, as opposed to a new campaign. In 2015, when the Saudi’s intervened, a UN assessment asserted that there was no evidence of Iran having any “command and control” over the Houthis at the time. If intervening in the Yemeni civil war on the side of a losing faction and bombing indiscriminately earned Saudi Arabia the Houthi’s enmity, pushed them closer to Iran, and resulted in an effective reprisal, the moral of the story would seem to be that actions have consequences and rashly attempting regional hegemony carries risk.
  - 7y ago