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"Modern WoW is [...] unchallenging" Well this is just false. I would say the mythic raids are the hardest theyve ever been. Mythic+ offers its own scaling di

"Modern WoW is [...] unchallenging" Well this is just false. I would say the mythic raids are the hardest theyve ever been. Mythic+ offers its own scaling difficulty from easy to hard to impossible. PvP is as engaging and tough as ever. Id argue these are all fun too. Maybe you've just moved on. The game has to change overtime.

Krasnol 7y ago
Yeah but Mythic+ is not the mainstream content most of the players experience in the game. And the anti-social behaviour and elitism surrounding those groups who do M+ has even become a meme. The mainstream wow content is ridiculously unchallenging. You are grinding dailys you can join up queues to do your daily/weekly run of the instances and repeat next Wednesday. This is what most of the people playing retail see and do. The most challenging thing about it is not stopping out of boredom.
- loktarogar 7y ago
  So..... the game is both difficult and unchallenging?
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    No. This is not what I wrote there. I try again: Most of the game content and mechanics is unchallenging. A group of people "guarding" the tiny difficult part are difficult.
- pfdietz 7y ago
  > Yeah but Mythic+ is not the mainstream content most of the players experience in the game. So, your objection seems to be that players who don't want challenging content are catered to much at all. You don't want those players, who comprise most of the player population, to have "mainstream content". Viewed in that light, I don't see how your criticism can be viewed as legitimate.
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    > So, your objection seems to be that players who don't want challenging content are catered to much at all. No it's not. In fact it's the opposite. Many people want to do Mythics. In fact it's required for some professions to make sense. The problem is that if you don't have a raiding guild at hand or have participated in the M+ (or normal mythic) content from day 1 the elite won't take you along. Sometimes you even have to pay to be taken along. Also: all this relates to the M+ content which is a fraction of the whole game which is unchallenging. To wrap this up: a fraction of the game is challenging but remains almost unreachable for the general public due to the player base.

Krasnol 7y ago

Yeah but Mythic+ is not the mainstream content most of the players experience in the game. And the anti-social behaviour and elitism surrounding those groups who do M+ has even become a meme. The mainstream wow content is ridiculously unchallenging. You are grinding dailys you can join up queues to do your daily/weekly run of the instances and repeat next Wednesday. This is what most of the people playing retail see and do. The most challenging thing about it is not stopping out of boredom.

loktarogar 7y ago
So..... the game is both difficult and unchallenging?
- Krasnol 7y ago
  No. This is not what I wrote there. I try again: Most of the game content and mechanics is unchallenging. A group of people "guarding" the tiny difficult part are difficult.
pfdietz 7y ago
> Yeah but Mythic+ is not the mainstream content most of the players experience in the game. So, your objection seems to be that players who don't want challenging content are catered to much at all. You don't want those players, who comprise most of the player population, to have "mainstream content". Viewed in that light, I don't see how your criticism can be viewed as legitimate.
- Krasnol 7y ago
  > So, your objection seems to be that players who don't want challenging content are catered to much at all. No it's not. In fact it's the opposite. Many people want to do Mythics. In fact it's required for some professions to make sense. The problem is that if you don't have a raiding guild at hand or have participated in the M+ (or normal mythic) content from day 1 the elite won't take you along. Sometimes you even have to pay to be taken along. Also: all this relates to the M+ content which is a fraction of the whole game which is unchallenging. To wrap this up: a fraction of the game is challenging but remains almost unreachable for the general public due to the player base.