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I feel this comment is unnecessarily combative. Setting aside security. I have owned laptops from every major brand. IBM ThinkPads, Toshibas, Lenevos, Dells, M

I feel this comment is unnecessarily combative. Setting aside security. I have owned laptops from every major brand. IBM ThinkPads, Toshibas, Lenevos, Dells, Macs and ASUS. So far, other than ASUS, I've run into more hardware issues with these laptops with fewer repair options available. They've also had bad battery lives compared to the Macs at the time. I've bought laptops and flashed Linux on them. I've used Ubuntu since Hardy Heron. But none of the laptops worked as seamlessly and as well as my Macs. The touchpad wouldn't work. The WiFi would fail. Sometimes updates broke the machine if they worked at all. Printers weren't plug and play. A few times the system crashed because of a configuration error that was unintentional. All in all, it was a poor experience. The difference in the experience is summed up by what happens when you open the box. A new Linux laptop would require an install, then hunting down the files, copying it over, doing updates, changing settings, changing the configuration etc etc. A new Mac is simple. I bring it home. Turn it on. It goes on my WiFi, finds my Time Machine and does the rest. I have perfect continuity from my old machine to the new. I have settings and programs here from 3 machines ago. I like to use my computer to work rather than working on the computer. Moreover, from a security perspective, I trust a company like Toshiba less. Mostly because the Toshiba comes with a ton of bloatware installed; https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&ei=hsR8XZmLFaPR9AOW1Y64Cw&q=toshiba+bios+bloatware&oq=toshiba+bios+bloatware&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i22i30l2.420558.423118..423290...1.3..1.816.4900.2-5j5j1j1j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0j33i160.JgbvSY3DVC4&ved=0ahUKEwiZ5uvtkNDkAhWjKH0KHZaqA7cQ4dUDCAs&uact=5 https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&ei=hsR8XZmLF... and you never know what they might install. As of writing, my Mac just doesn't.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
>I like to use my computer to work rather than working on the computer. This is why I’m willing to pay whatever Apple asks. As far as I can tell, they have done the most to earn my trust that they might not try to shove malware or ads on me. They have had a few missteps in the past, but all the other companies are so much worse. Plus their customer service has been leagues better than everyone else...which isn’t hard since no one else has any stores I can go and get my problem fixed at.
- Lunatic666 7y ago
  When the touchpad on my daughter's a Yoga stopped working, I had a technician exchange it within a day at our home. I got the same 2-year service level for my Lenovo X390 for 50$ extra and it's worldwide. I think a Mac you have to bring to the Apple Store and leave it there.
  - partialrecall 7y ago
    Yeah, Apple's service is abysmal. The University Village Apple Store in Seattle wanted to hold onto my macbook air for a week to replace the battery because they didn't have one in stock. Why didn't they have one in stock? I had an appointment scheduled for them to replace the battery, so why wasn't the battery pre-ordered to be there on that date?
- floatboth 7y ago
  Their customer service is infamous for being an extreme ripoff, always pushing towards "buy a new device". Most recently there was a cool video where a journalist went to the "genius bar", was told that repairing his MacBook's broken backlight would cost more than a new one ("we have to fix water damage" lol), then went to Rossman and got it fixed for free in a minute.
elorant 7y ago
I feel this comment is unnecessarily combative. If you took offense, I apologize. I didn't mean to insult you.
- areoform 7y ago
  Hakuna matata
swebs 7y ago
>A new Linux laptop would require an install, then... No, that's a new Windows laptop that you're wiping and installing Linux on. You can buy laptops nowadays with Linux already installed and completely set up. https://system76.com https://system76.com https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/xps-13-developer-edition/spd/xps-13-9380-laptop/cax13w10p1c701subuntu https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebo...
Vrondi 7y ago
I think you've hit the nail on the head. If a user isn't an idiot blindly following fashion (we know there are plenty who use Apple for "the looks" only). If they are a user who really loves Apple, it's really about the ease and smoothness of the services/ecosystem. The hardware can be crap priced twice as high as it should be at times, but the services are smooth and those who like them love them. I'm not a fan, but this is what I observe in the long-time Apple fans I know.

lotsofpulp 7y ago

>I like to use my computer to work rather than working on the computer. This is why I’m willing to pay whatever Apple asks. As far as I can tell, they have done the most to earn my trust that they might not try to shove malware or ads on me. They have had a few missteps in the past, but all the other companies are so much worse. Plus their customer service has been leagues better than everyone else...which isn’t hard since no one else has any stores I can go and get my problem fixed at.

Lunatic666 7y ago
When the touchpad on my daughter's a Yoga stopped working, I had a technician exchange it within a day at our home. I got the same 2-year service level for my Lenovo X390 for 50$ extra and it's worldwide. I think a Mac you have to bring to the Apple Store and leave it there.
- partialrecall 7y ago
  Yeah, Apple's service is abysmal. The University Village Apple Store in Seattle wanted to hold onto my macbook air for a week to replace the battery because they didn't have one in stock. Why didn't they have one in stock? I had an appointment scheduled for them to replace the battery, so why wasn't the battery pre-ordered to be there on that date?
floatboth 7y ago
Their customer service is infamous for being an extreme ripoff, always pushing towards "buy a new device". Most recently there was a cool video where a journalist went to the "genius bar", was told that repairing his MacBook's broken backlight would cost more than a new one ("we have to fix water damage" lol), then went to Rossman and got it fixed for free in a minute.

elorant 7y ago

I feel this comment is unnecessarily combative. If you took offense, I apologize. I didn't mean to insult you.

areoform 7y ago
Hakuna matata

swebs 7y ago

>A new Linux laptop would require an install, then... No, that's a new Windows laptop that you're wiping and installing Linux on. You can buy laptops nowadays with Linux already installed and completely set up. https://system76.com https://system76.com https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/xps-13-developer-edition/spd/xps-13-9380-laptop/cax13w10p1c701subuntu https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebo...

Vrondi 7y ago

I think you've hit the nail on the head. If a user isn't an idiot blindly following fashion (we know there are plenty who use Apple for "the looks" only). If they are a user who really loves Apple, it's really about the ease and smoothness of the services/ecosystem. The hardware can be crap priced twice as high as it should be at times, but the services are smooth and those who like them love them. I'm not a fan, but this is what I observe in the long-time Apple fans I know.