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While this is a cool concept (especially the suspended, likely over-engineered sleeping platforms), I can’t see sense in the business model with this type of pr

While this is a cool concept (especially the suspended, likely over-engineered sleeping platforms), I can’t see sense in the business model with this type of pricing. Cabin charges $120 each way for an 8 hour bus ($240 round trip), while you can get a round-trip flight for less than half that with any of the major carriers ($107 for LAX - SFO, $91 for LAX-OAK RT). As someone that regularly travels between LA and SF, I would rather fly Delta at half the cost and a fraction of the time. Time is money, and it doesn’t make sense to charge more for an 8 hour bus than an hour-ish flight, especially when the majority of travelers would rather get from point A->B as fast as possible.

maelito 7y ago
Maybe reduce the carbon footprint ?
atomwaffel 7y ago
I’m not sufficiently familiar with the geography of SF or LA – how does the door-to-door time and cost compare when you account for the fact that most trips don’t actually start and end at an airport? I’d much rather catch a sleeper bus/train in the city centre in the evening, sleep for 7–8 hours (something I’d be doing anyway) and wake up in another city centre the next morning with a full day ahead of me than deal with the hassle of travelling to an airport, going through security, killing time at the gate, and travelling back to the city centre at my destination.
- garmaine 7y ago
  Most trips don’t actually start and end at the bus depot either.
  - atomwaffel 7y ago
    Exactly, that’s why I’m wondering about the door-to-door times for a typical trip, and I don’t know enough about American cities to give a qualified answer myself. My expectation would be that they’re more central and less time-consuming than most airports. Then again, my experience with bus stations so far has also been that they’re even less inviting places than most airports and not usually as well connected either.
    - ghaff 7y ago
      In the case of LA specifically there are several airports scattered around the area. Also 3 in the Bay. So flying gives you some choice of start-end destinations. I assume not all the combos are common routes.
- eternalny1 7y ago
  To be fair, most trips don't actually start and end at a bus, either.
peteretep 7y ago
Maybe the over-engineered sleeping platform is the point? Nail that with some patents, get the cost down, and you can put one in autonomous vehicles, airplanes, all manner of trains, etc etc etc. Get it right and mass produce it and the market size is gigantic.
awalton 7y ago
As someone who loathes flying with the heat of a thousand suns and who has taken that route on Amtrak, I'll be happy to try this service at my next convenience. I don't hate the ride on Amtrak, but it's a hard route to sleep, since it's just a little too short to be worth booking the sleeper (which ends up being about double the rate compared to the bus ride), and sleeping in the open cabin can be a bit of a challenge. That, and the roads are at least capable of allowing for some routing around, unlike Amtrak which frequently hits freight traffic and has a pretty abysmal on-time reputation for the Coast Starlight. Not all of us are in a rush, and most of us could use a good night of unplugged sleep. Plus it shaves off a night in a hotel, so there's actual savings there too.
awiesenhofer 7y ago
Same as with trains: Its not cabins pricing thats expensive, its flights being too cheap - mostly due to tax subsidising of kerosin and similar. With proper energy costs and carbon pricing the bill would look different
Retric 7y ago
It’s also effectively a hotel room. Few people fly out late Friday evening do much more than go to a hotel and crash that night. It’s clearly got issues, but they don’t need to replace aircraft to be a profitable business.

maelito 7y ago

Maybe reduce the carbon footprint ?

atomwaffel 7y ago

I’m not sufficiently familiar with the geography of SF or LA – how does the door-to-door time and cost compare when you account for the fact that most trips don’t actually start and end at an airport? I’d much rather catch a sleeper bus/train in the city centre in the evening, sleep for 7–8 hours (something I’d be doing anyway) and wake up in another city centre the next morning with a full day ahead of me than deal with the hassle of travelling to an airport, going through security, killing time at the gate, and travelling back to the city centre at my destination.

garmaine 7y ago
Most trips don’t actually start and end at the bus depot either.
- atomwaffel 7y ago
  Exactly, that’s why I’m wondering about the door-to-door times for a typical trip, and I don’t know enough about American cities to give a qualified answer myself. My expectation would be that they’re more central and less time-consuming than most airports. Then again, my experience with bus stations so far has also been that they’re even less inviting places than most airports and not usually as well connected either.
  - ghaff 7y ago
    In the case of LA specifically there are several airports scattered around the area. Also 3 in the Bay. So flying gives you some choice of start-end destinations. I assume not all the combos are common routes.
eternalny1 7y ago
To be fair, most trips don't actually start and end at a bus, either.

peteretep 7y ago

Maybe the over-engineered sleeping platform is the point? Nail that with some patents, get the cost down, and you can put one in autonomous vehicles, airplanes, all manner of trains, etc etc etc. Get it right and mass produce it and the market size is gigantic.

awalton 7y ago

As someone who loathes flying with the heat of a thousand suns and who has taken that route on Amtrak, I'll be happy to try this service at my next convenience. I don't hate the ride on Amtrak, but it's a hard route to sleep, since it's just a little too short to be worth booking the sleeper (which ends up being about double the rate compared to the bus ride), and sleeping in the open cabin can be a bit of a challenge. That, and the roads are at least capable of allowing for some routing around, unlike Amtrak which frequently hits freight traffic and has a pretty abysmal on-time reputation for the Coast Starlight. Not all of us are in a rush, and most of us could use a good night of unplugged sleep. Plus it shaves off a night in a hotel, so there's actual savings there too.

awiesenhofer 7y ago

Same as with trains: Its not cabins pricing thats expensive, its flights being too cheap - mostly due to tax subsidising of kerosin and similar. With proper energy costs and carbon pricing the bill would look different

Retric 7y ago

It’s also effectively a hotel room. Few people fly out late Friday evening do much more than go to a hotel and crash that night. It’s clearly got issues, but they don’t need to replace aircraft to be a profitable business.