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Yes, she's a child of 16. Whether her parents supported her early solo protest I do not know. Yet it seems to be clearly important to her, as it continued and g

Yes, she's a child of 16. Whether her parents supported her early solo protest I do not know. Yet it seems to be clearly important to her, as it continued and grew. So her parents choose to support her - so what? I would sincerely hope that I would have fully supported my kids at that age, had there been an issue they felt quite as passionately for at 16. She's clearly entitled to express an opinion, and old enough to form them. I had political and plenty of other opinions at 16, and I'm sure you did. You probably still feel the same on some. All political parties have youth branches that are freely permitted without global cries of indoctrination! Though some may verge into indoctrination. Climate's an issue that will clearly affect a youngster's future more than yours or mine - I'm past half way in my life, they have 60+ years ahead. My kids see the climate response in far starker terms than most adults, though they're a little older. If she were mere puppet or pawn, I'm pretty sure the resentment, insincerity and unwillingness would be clear and bloody obvious. Being young doesn't discount you from having a opinion, or wanting to change something. So is it discounting the opinion simply because she has proven somewhat successful? It certainly seems that way in many of the media attacks she's received - and brushed off. There was a coal or oil trade body that recently put out a wonderful statement something along the lines of seeing her as one of their biggest threats. Great reason to keep on doing what she is doing then, no? Doubly so if politicians are actually bloody listening. That some sections of the media paint her as $deity and others as $anti-deity is absurd and wrong. On mention of autistic, I'm at a loss. She's described as autistic as it's an accepted term for someone on the autism spectrum in Europe. My friend with an autistic child would, and has, called them autistic when the need arises. Why is that a problem? How would someone with autism be properly referred to in the US? How is it inappropriate? She's certainly freely mentioned it in interview in the past. Some sections of the media have tried to use it as a means of personal attack, but surely better to acknowledge her situation than try to hide it? OK, so you think we should not travel at all if we have an opinion on fixing emissions. That rules out all of us. That seems far too convenient to one side of the argument though. I couldn't go to a demonstration without travelling. So sign an online petition instead or throw up another blog I guess. That doesn't get to influence decision makers though. We all get to make trade-offs within the globalised system we have right now. Whilst agitating and striving to improve it with the least impact practicable on whatever issue we find important.

DoreenMichele 7y ago
Why is that a problem? How would someone with autism be properly referred to in the US? I think you have misunderstood my point. Autism is socially impairing. People with autism have trouble dealing with social stuff. So she is probably less qualified than most 16 year olds to try to figure out how fame at a young age is likely to impact her. Most people with autism get inculcated with social programming that I think is harmful. It's an attempt to get them to behave more normally, which is usually a fundamental violation of their personal boundaries. It's a little like introverts being told that they are weird and need to socialize the same way that extroverts do, that there is something inherently bad and broken about wanting a lot of time alone. If she were someone with a mental IQ of 70, would you be vociferously defending her right to express herself politically? Or would you be taking a side-eyes view at the whole thing and wondering how much of this was really their opinion and how much of this was someone with more power than them using them as a puppet? If you have a "social IQ" of 70 and are dealing with an inherently highly social arena -- politics -- at a young age, isn't that something we should wonder at? I worry at the harm being done to her for no real gain. There was a story on HN not that long ago about a girl who was brutally raped while still a child and wrote a book about it. She ultimately committed suicide while still a minor, which made the press because she asked for assisted suicide under the laws of her country and was denied it, then took her own life anyway. I was raped as a child. I was also in gifted programs from an early age. I got my act together in part because I walked away from the limelight and had a very private life for a lot of years. This kind of fame means you live in a fish bowl. The press is notorious for raking awkward adolescents over the coals for being fat, not dressing adequately well, etc. Such as the children of celebrities and the daughter of the Clintons. Growing up in the limelight can be very hard on someone with normal levels of social skills. So my concern here is that she is essentially being abused and doesn't understand the social consequences well enough to realize it yet. That's my concern. OK, so you think we should not travel at all if we have an opinion on fixing emissions. No, this is absolutely not at all anything I think or said. It in no way fits with my statement that I don't lecture rich people for flying to where they need to fly. Those are clarifications. I have zero interest in pursuing what looks to me like a fruitless and pointless argument. You have a good day.
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DoreenMichele 7y ago

Why is that a problem? How would someone with autism be properly referred to in the US? I think you have misunderstood my point. Autism is socially impairing. People with autism have trouble dealing with social stuff. So she is probably less qualified than most 16 year olds to try to figure out how fame at a young age is likely to impact her. Most people with autism get inculcated with social programming that I think is harmful. It's an attempt to get them to behave more normally, which is usually a fundamental violation of their personal boundaries. It's a little like introverts being told that they are weird and need to socialize the same way that extroverts do, that there is something inherently bad and broken about wanting a lot of time alone. If she were someone with a mental IQ of 70, would you be vociferously defending her right to express herself politically? Or would you be taking a side-eyes view at the whole thing and wondering how much of this was really their opinion and how much of this was someone with more power than them using them as a puppet? If you have a "social IQ" of 70 and are dealing with an inherently highly social arena -- politics -- at a young age, isn't that something we should wonder at? I worry at the harm being done to her for no real gain. There was a story on HN not that long ago about a girl who was brutally raped while still a child and wrote a book about it. She ultimately committed suicide while still a minor, which made the press because she asked for assisted suicide under the laws of her country and was denied it, then took her own life anyway. I was raped as a child. I was also in gifted programs from an early age. I got my act together in part because I walked away from the limelight and had a very private life for a lot of years. This kind of fame means you live in a fish bowl. The press is notorious for raking awkward adolescents over the coals for being fat, not dressing adequately well, etc. Such as the children of celebrities and the daughter of the Clintons. Growing up in the limelight can be very hard on someone with normal levels of social skills. So my concern here is that she is essentially being abused and doesn't understand the social consequences well enough to realize it yet. That's my concern. OK, so you think we should not travel at all if we have an opinion on fixing emissions. No, this is absolutely not at all anything I think or said. It in no way fits with my statement that I don't lecture rich people for flying to where they need to fly. Those are clarifications. I have zero interest in pursuing what looks to me like a fruitless and pointless argument. You have a good day.

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