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You are right, I could have phrased that better. We certainly won't all agree on the specific path forward. What I meant was that most people on here can prob

by slg 7y ago

You are right, I could have phrased that better. We certainly won't all agree on the specific path forward. What I meant was that most people on here can probably agree that our current path is not adequately addressing the problem, that changes need to be made going forward, and those changes require political action.

avmich 7y ago
Importantly we need to understand that we can't require first to have that agreement and only after that start addressing the problem itself. Just like with space exploration, where we can't postpone it till there will be no hunger on Earth, we can't postpone acting on climate crisis until we agree on how to act. We have to act without full agreement.
- mythrwy 7y ago
  And at best we will get expansive half measures. The best thing that could happen to climate science would be to decouple from political ideology.
  - avmich 7y ago
    That's a really tall order. To have science - in general, since if that happens with climate it probably happens with other areas - to be decoupled from politics is to significantly change our current practices of governance. Hopefully for better - but it's a hard task to do.
pathseeker 7y ago
So what are you supposed to do in the US if you agree that climate change is a problem? The democratic party is not interested in solving it in the time-frame required (i.e. anti-nuclear) and the republican party might be okay with nuclear but isn't really that interested in solving the issue. Which party do you try to participate in to affect change? Both have effectively given up on evidence-based policies.
- caf 7y ago
  Of the 10 Democratic presidential primary candidates who were on the stage this week, only two (Sanders and Warren) are explicitly against nuclear power. Harris' position is unclear, and the rest are in favour. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/758173003/climate-issues-where-2020-democrats-stand-on-the-green-new-deal-and-more https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/758173003/climate-issues-wher...
- nanomonkey 7y ago
  Green party! Or act locally within your county and city, as any successful local model can be later taken up by other municipalities.
  - eli_gottlieb 7y ago
    The Green Party loathes nuclear energy.

by slg 7y ago

avmich 7y ago

Importantly we need to understand that we can't require first to have that agreement and only after that start addressing the problem itself. Just like with space exploration, where we can't postpone it till there will be no hunger on Earth, we can't postpone acting on climate crisis until we agree on how to act. We have to act without full agreement.

mythrwy 7y ago
And at best we will get expansive half measures. The best thing that could happen to climate science would be to decouple from political ideology.
- avmich 7y ago
  That's a really tall order. To have science - in general, since if that happens with climate it probably happens with other areas - to be decoupled from politics is to significantly change our current practices of governance. Hopefully for better - but it's a hard task to do.

pathseeker 7y ago

So what are you supposed to do in the US if you agree that climate change is a problem? The democratic party is not interested in solving it in the time-frame required (i.e. anti-nuclear) and the republican party might be okay with nuclear but isn't really that interested in solving the issue. Which party do you try to participate in to affect change? Both have effectively given up on evidence-based policies.

caf 7y ago
Of the 10 Democratic presidential primary candidates who were on the stage this week, only two (Sanders and Warren) are explicitly against nuclear power. Harris' position is unclear, and the rest are in favour. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/758173003/climate-issues-where-2020-democrats-stand-on-the-green-new-deal-and-more https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/758173003/climate-issues-wher...
nanomonkey 7y ago
Green party! Or act locally within your county and city, as any successful local model can be later taken up by other municipalities.
- eli_gottlieb 7y ago
  The Green Party loathes nuclear energy.