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Call me ecoterrorist, but hearing "flights are cheap", so we flight makes me angry. Flights should not supposed to be cheap. The whole industry contributes sign

Call me ecoterrorist, but hearing "flights are cheap", so we flight makes me angry. Flights should not supposed to be cheap. The whole industry contributes significantly to global warming for you to watch movies.

perl4ever 7y ago
For a very long time, people have made cheap swipes at Al Gore for using lots of carbon, such as for flying here and there and doing things that rich people do. And, for a very long time, I thought, well, that's stupid, because global warming is about the total amount of CO2 on the whole planet, not personal behavior and virtue. It's not a religion, after all. Somehow, everything's reversed, but does this mean that Gore is now a fiend? Or were people right the first time, that it's not about carbon being sinful? A pound of CO2 is a pound of CO2, isn't it? Every time people make a comment about some specific activity, what I hear is "this pound of CO2 is more sinful than that pound of CO2". Or "everyone should get to emit equal amounts of CO2". I don't think these have anything to do with preventing climate change. I really, really, don't believe it's wrong or contradictory for "liberal elites" to fly around on their private jets and still try to stop global warming. But that means I also don't see why people have turned to condemning Joe Blow in the same way. It's not flying that's the problem. You ban flying, and economics would allow the fossil fuel to be burned some other way. You mandate electric cars, or anything else, and you're not doing the one thing we need to do, which is to ration all carbon emissions. All carbon is equal! Maybe we do need to switch to electric cars or stop flying, but I'm saying we can only find that out by first making emitting CO2 more expensive and then letting the market work. It's not that it's a "nicer" solution that's more "free market", it's that there is literally no other option. We are looking for car keys under a streetlight, when we know they were dropped in the sewer.
- baddox 7y ago
  In my opinion the “solution” is to just make every pound of CO2 cost, well, its actual cost. It wouldn’t bother me if a factory uses more CO2 than an individual, or even if a meat eater uses more CO2 than a vegan, as long as every party is paying the actual societal cost of the CO2.

perl4ever 7y ago

For a very long time, people have made cheap swipes at Al Gore for using lots of carbon, such as for flying here and there and doing things that rich people do. And, for a very long time, I thought, well, that's stupid, because global warming is about the total amount of CO2 on the whole planet, not personal behavior and virtue. It's not a religion, after all. Somehow, everything's reversed, but does this mean that Gore is now a fiend? Or were people right the first time, that it's not about carbon being sinful? A pound of CO2 is a pound of CO2, isn't it? Every time people make a comment about some specific activity, what I hear is "this pound of CO2 is more sinful than that pound of CO2". Or "everyone should get to emit equal amounts of CO2". I don't think these have anything to do with preventing climate change. I really, really, don't believe it's wrong or contradictory for "liberal elites" to fly around on their private jets and still try to stop global warming. But that means I also don't see why people have turned to condemning Joe Blow in the same way. It's not flying that's the problem. You ban flying, and economics would allow the fossil fuel to be burned some other way. You mandate electric cars, or anything else, and you're not doing the one thing we need to do, which is to ration all carbon emissions. All carbon is equal! Maybe we do need to switch to electric cars or stop flying, but I'm saying we can only find that out by first making emitting CO2 more expensive and then letting the market work. It's not that it's a "nicer" solution that's more "free market", it's that there is literally no other option. We are looking for car keys under a streetlight, when we know they were dropped in the sewer.

baddox 7y ago
In my opinion the “solution” is to just make every pound of CO2 cost, well, its actual cost. It wouldn’t bother me if a factory uses more CO2 than an individual, or even if a meat eater uses more CO2 than a vegan, as long as every party is paying the actual societal cost of the CO2.