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The Catholic church, the largest pro-life organization, is pretty vehemently against IVF, in all cases, for any reason. It talks about them quite often, but the

The Catholic church, the largest pro-life organization, is pretty vehemently against IVF, in all cases, for any reason. It talks about them quite often, but there is little support for it outside the church (most protestant denoms do not agree with the catholics here), so it receives very little mainstream attention. However, within the 'Catholic bubble', fertility clinics probably get as much ire.

Miner49er 7y ago
What about embryos that aren't implanted? That just don't make it naturally? 1 in 3 eggs don't make it for every kne that does. Does the Catholic church want to do anything about those? I quick Google search didn't bring anything up.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > 1 in 3 eggs don't make it for every kne that does. Does the Catholic church want to do anything about those? The Catholic heirarchy views that no differently than other natural death, which, while it might be something better to reduce, is not an active moral wrong the way homicide (including, in the view of the heirarchy, direct abortion) is. (I say “heirarchy” rather than “Church” here because the evidence suggest that the mass of the faithful, the body of the Church, aren't particularly in line behind the heirarchy on this issue—polls in the US, for instance, fairly consistently see virtually no difference in distribution of political views on abortion between Catholics and Americans generally.)
- tathougies 7y ago
  The church would support medicines to help these children implant and make it. However, it is also the same as natural death (trying to increase the chance of non-implantation is the same sin as abortion). Speaking from personal experience with our recurrent miscarriages, Catholic doctors cared the most, and ultimately, their diligence and dedication is why we have our daughter. The rest told us to just forget about it. The Catholic ones cared, and are why we have living children.
dragonwriter 7y ago
> The Catholic church, the largest pro-life organization, is pretty vehemently against IVF, in all cases, for any reason. Note that the Catholic heirarchy is, in fact, opposed to all forms of conception that don't involve a sex act between married partners, including homologous artificial insemination within marriage. > However, within the 'Catholic bubble', fertility clinics probably get as much ire. They really don't; they rarely get mentioned outside of fairly academic discussions of the relevant theology, even by most of the people within the Church that engage in intense advocacy on abortion and/or family issues. They do get some ire by extremists on the opposite side of the heirarchy’s position than the general society, the types that put out pamphlets or go on Catholic radio using arguments like “clones—and IVF babies—have no souls” (seriously). But they don't get a lot of attention in mainstream circles. If a couple asks their pastor about it, they’ll probably have the official positioned mentioned, but unlike abortion it's not something you're likely to hear mentioned in a Sunday sermon or as the focus of a heirarchy-led public advocacy campaign.

Miner49er 7y ago

What about embryos that aren't implanted? That just don't make it naturally? 1 in 3 eggs don't make it for every kne that does. Does the Catholic church want to do anything about those? I quick Google search didn't bring anything up.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> 1 in 3 eggs don't make it for every kne that does. Does the Catholic church want to do anything about those? The Catholic heirarchy views that no differently than other natural death, which, while it might be something better to reduce, is not an active moral wrong the way homicide (including, in the view of the heirarchy, direct abortion) is. (I say “heirarchy” rather than “Church” here because the evidence suggest that the mass of the faithful, the body of the Church, aren't particularly in line behind the heirarchy on this issue—polls in the US, for instance, fairly consistently see virtually no difference in distribution of political views on abortion between Catholics and Americans generally.)
tathougies 7y ago
The church would support medicines to help these children implant and make it. However, it is also the same as natural death (trying to increase the chance of non-implantation is the same sin as abortion). Speaking from personal experience with our recurrent miscarriages, Catholic doctors cared the most, and ultimately, their diligence and dedication is why we have our daughter. The rest told us to just forget about it. The Catholic ones cared, and are why we have living children.

dragonwriter 7y ago

> The Catholic church, the largest pro-life organization, is pretty vehemently against IVF, in all cases, for any reason. Note that the Catholic heirarchy is, in fact, opposed to all forms of conception that don't involve a sex act between married partners, including homologous artificial insemination within marriage. > However, within the 'Catholic bubble', fertility clinics probably get as much ire. They really don't; they rarely get mentioned outside of fairly academic discussions of the relevant theology, even by most of the people within the Church that engage in intense advocacy on abortion and/or family issues. They do get some ire by extremists on the opposite side of the heirarchy’s position than the general society, the types that put out pamphlets or go on Catholic radio using arguments like “clones—and IVF babies—have no souls” (seriously). But they don't get a lot of attention in mainstream circles. If a couple asks their pastor about it, they’ll probably have the official positioned mentioned, but unlike abortion it's not something you're likely to hear mentioned in a Sunday sermon or as the focus of a heirarchy-led public advocacy campaign.