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Imagine that fat gets burned at the exact moment when you eat or drink anything. On your chart, even if it is realtime, you would see weight gain, then later du

Imagine that fat gets burned at the exact moment when you eat or drink anything. On your chart, even if it is realtime, you would see weight gain, then later during the day and night you pee and exhale little more than if that fat burn didn't happen. But that burn is say 1% of intake and it gets spread over few hours. Would your tracking method allow you to detect the moment of weight loss in this hypothetical scenario?

RobertRoberts 7y ago
I don't think so, I can't say for sure when fat is burned or anything like that. I agree that it has to be done while you are using energy during the day. Some people seem to be thinking that I am saying "fat only gets burned during sleep" which is just absurd, and I am not suggesting that at all. I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly stored in the body after being used, but during sleep is when this waste is collected and expelled in the urine." Maybe poorly worded but sums up my thinking right now. This is a rough guess, but since I haven't seen anything like this reported anywhere I figured it's worth sharing the experience.
- kerkeslager 7y ago
  > I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly stored in the body after being used, but during sleep is when this waste is collected and expelled in the urine." And how did you detect the fat waste in your urine? > This is a rough guess, but since I haven't seen anything like this reported anywhere I figured it's worth sharing the experience. The reason you didn't see anything like this reported anywhere is that it's not true. Experience is something I can't argue with. I can't argue, for example, that you lost weight. However, you've stepped well beyond just "reporting your experience" here. In what way did you "experience" expelling fat waste products through your urine? The answer is, you didn't--you experienced expelling water. You're not adding to our collective knowledge by reporting your subjective interpretations here. You're propagating misinformation.
  - RobertRoberts 7y ago
    > And how did you detect the fat waste in your urine? I didn't have a method to test for fat in urine. But I could measure the fat loss around my waist, neck and limbs over time. Lots of science works in this way where you can't measure something directly, so you must use the surrounding effects to measure it, it's totally valid measuring technique. >expelling fat waste products through your urine? The answer is, you didn't--you experienced expelling water. If you want to argue that fat turns into water, and then water goes out as urine, then I agree with you 100% (though I'd argue it's not pure water), and I would add that that process seems to be only be fully completed after sleeping. (experimental proof of this can be demonstrated by anyone with a scale that is able to stay up all night) Mayo Clinic: "These waste products — water and carbon dioxide — are excreted in your urine and sweat or exhaled from your lungs." https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/expert-answers/body-fat/faq-20058251 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/exp...
    - kerkeslager 7y ago
      > If you want to argue that fat turns into water, and then water goes out as urine, then I agree with you 100% (though I'd argue it's not pure water) I don't want to argue that. > and I would add that that process seems to be only be fully completed after sleeping. This is the nonsense that I would like to argue against. > (experimental proof of this can be demonstrated by anyone with a scale that is able to stay up all night) Okay, please tell me the numbers that you collected that you think prove this. > Mayo Clinic: "These waste products — water and carbon dioxide — are excreted in your urine and sweat or exhaled from your lungs." That link does not say when during the day it happens. I'll also point out that I've been saying all along that fat waste is 15% water and 85% carbon dioxide, so if you think that disproves what I said, either you didn't read what I said, or you didn't read what you linked. I'll also point out that you said: "The reason I don't think the carbon dioxide thing is the primary method of weight loss is because of my tests, where your body weight simply does not normalize until after sleeping. I think the majority of the fat (by weight) comes out in urine." Could you do some basic research please, and find a source which says the percentages of fat and water? I've conveniently linked one for you: "So, for example, to burn 10 kilograms (22 lbs.) of fat, a person needs to inhale 29 kg (64 lbs.) of oxygen. And the chemical process of burning that fat will produce 28 kg (62 lbs.) of carbon dioxide and 11 kg (24 lbs.) of water, the researchers calculated." [1] https://www.livescience.com/49157-how-fat-is-lost-body.html https://www.livescience.com/49157-how-fat-is-lost-body.html

RobertRoberts 7y ago

I don't think so, I can't say for sure when fat is burned or anything like that. I agree that it has to be done while you are using energy during the day. Some people seem to be thinking that I am saying "fat only gets burned during sleep" which is just absurd, and I am not suggesting that at all. I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly stored in the body after being used, but during sleep is when this waste is collected and expelled in the urine." Maybe poorly worded but sums up my thinking right now. This is a rough guess, but since I haven't seen anything like this reported anywhere I figured it's worth sharing the experience.

kerkeslager 7y ago
> I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly stored in the body after being used, but during sleep is when this waste is collected and expelled in the urine." And how did you detect the fat waste in your urine? > This is a rough guess, but since I haven't seen anything like this reported anywhere I figured it's worth sharing the experience. The reason you didn't see anything like this reported anywhere is that it's not true. Experience is something I can't argue with. I can't argue, for example, that you lost weight. However, you've stepped well beyond just "reporting your experience" here. In what way did you "experience" expelling fat waste products through your urine? The answer is, you didn't--you experienced expelling water. You're not adding to our collective knowledge by reporting your subjective interpretations here. You're propagating misinformation.
- RobertRoberts 7y ago
  > And how did you detect the fat waste in your urine? I didn't have a method to test for fat in urine. But I could measure the fat loss around my waist, neck and limbs over time. Lots of science works in this way where you can't measure something directly, so you must use the surrounding effects to measure it, it's totally valid measuring technique. >expelling fat waste products through your urine? The answer is, you didn't--you experienced expelling water. If you want to argue that fat turns into water, and then water goes out as urine, then I agree with you 100% (though I'd argue it's not pure water), and I would add that that process seems to be only be fully completed after sleeping. (experimental proof of this can be demonstrated by anyone with a scale that is able to stay up all night) Mayo Clinic: "These waste products — water and carbon dioxide — are excreted in your urine and sweat or exhaled from your lungs." https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/expert-answers/body-fat/faq-20058251 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/exp...
  - kerkeslager 7y ago
    > If you want to argue that fat turns into water, and then water goes out as urine, then I agree with you 100% (though I'd argue it's not pure water) I don't want to argue that. > and I would add that that process seems to be only be fully completed after sleeping. This is the nonsense that I would like to argue against. > (experimental proof of this can be demonstrated by anyone with a scale that is able to stay up all night) Okay, please tell me the numbers that you collected that you think prove this. > Mayo Clinic: "These waste products — water and carbon dioxide — are excreted in your urine and sweat or exhaled from your lungs." That link does not say when during the day it happens. I'll also point out that I've been saying all along that fat waste is 15% water and 85% carbon dioxide, so if you think that disproves what I said, either you didn't read what I said, or you didn't read what you linked. I'll also point out that you said: "The reason I don't think the carbon dioxide thing is the primary method of weight loss is because of my tests, where your body weight simply does not normalize until after sleeping. I think the majority of the fat (by weight) comes out in urine." Could you do some basic research please, and find a source which says the percentages of fat and water? I've conveniently linked one for you: "So, for example, to burn 10 kilograms (22 lbs.) of fat, a person needs to inhale 29 kg (64 lbs.) of oxygen. And the chemical process of burning that fat will produce 28 kg (62 lbs.) of carbon dioxide and 11 kg (24 lbs.) of water, the researchers calculated." [1] https://www.livescience.com/49157-how-fat-is-lost-body.html https://www.livescience.com/49157-how-fat-is-lost-body.html