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Note that vaccines were introduced in the late 1700s, not the mid 1960s.
by mikeash 7y ago
Note that vaccines were introduced in the late 1700s, not the mid 1960s.
- amasad 7y agoNo.
- mikeash 7y agoYes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_vaccines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_vaccines
- amasad 7y agoThis is like saying we've been 'programming' since Ada Lovelace wrote the first program in the 1840, which is silly to say the least. The CDC starts measure after a vaccine has passed the 'licensure' process: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6004a9.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6004a9.htm
- mikeash 7y agoProgramming wasn’t saving thousands of lives in the 1840s. Vaccines were is fairly wide use long before the 1960s. Deaths from smallpox dropped sharply though the 1800s and it was eliminated entirely in many countries.
- amasad 7y agoI think you're missing a basic understanding of what an "analogy" is. Hard to keep this conversation going.
- mikeash 7y agoProgramming had essentially zero real-world impact before the 1950s. The analogy you’re trying to make is that vaccines existed but had virtually no real world impact before the 1960s. Did I get that right? Because that’s what I understood, and it’s severely wrong.
- eej71 7y agoI think its misleading to equate what was available then - both in quality and quantity - with what has been available in the modern world for the last 70 years.
- mikeash 7y agoI think it’s misleading to act like vaccines weren’t saving kids’ lives until my parents’ generation.
- eej71 7y agoI think it's fair to say that the uptick in lives that were saved made a huge leap forward with the arrival of industrialized medicine which is to say mass produced vaccines made available to the many and of course the arrival of vaccines for even more diseases that were not previously covered. I hope we can agree that the recent down tick in the rate of vaccinations is a step backwards.
- mikeash 7y agoI’m not sure about that. The death rate from smallpox was unbelievably high before the vaccine, and it was eliminated or nearly so in many countries well before this supposed 1960s date. Certainly more recent advancements have been wonderful, and the anti-vaux movement is callously throwing away lives and the hard-fought victories of our ancestors.