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Well, at a minimum it makes goods from China more expensive and drop shipping from China no longer makes sense for many products. If you aren't getting those pr

Well, at a minimum it makes goods from China more expensive and drop shipping from China no longer makes sense for many products. If you aren't getting those products from China, they'll come from somewhere else.

phy6 7y ago
Correct. Vietnam is already accusing China of exporting things claimed to have been made in Vietnam. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9281123/china-mislabelling-products-made-in-vietnam-avoid-trump-tariffs/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9281123/china-mislabelling-pro...
kerkeslager 7y ago
> Well, at a minimum it makes goods from China more expensive and drop shipping from China no longer makes sense for many products. Well, given the number of products we buy from China, this sounds like it's going to make things more expensive for US Citizens. > If you aren't getting those products from China, they'll come from somewhere else. ...for a higher price, probably, which we will pay.
- matthewowen 7y ago
  Very few items bought from China come via the postal system: they're primarily moved by freight to USA fulfillment centers and then shipped domestically when orders come in. So no, it won't make things more expensive for most consumers. There's a high likelihood that you've never received anything from China by mail.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    That is just absolutely not true. First, go ahead and read the article. Next, order a few $1 items from AliExpress.
    - matthewowen 7y ago
      I have ordered things from aliexpress. I've ordered orders of magnitude more stuff from Amazon. That's my point. A number doesn't have to be zero to be practically insignificant.
      - EpicEng 7y ago
        Your point is that because Amazon is sells more stuff than AliExpress we should stay in a bad deal? Not sure I get that point.
        matthewowen 7y ago
        Please point out where I said we should. I'll wait. I'm just saying that it won't have a large negative impact on consumers or overall trade volumes. If anything I'm defending. This is extremely tiresome.
matthewowen 7y ago
How many products are directly shipped from China through the postal service? The answer is very few. This will have little to no impact on trade volumes overall, since they're largely moved as freight.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  It's not about having a huge impact on trade volumes. It will have an impact on small stuff and drop shipping. Why should we stay in a bad deal that was made fifty years ago when circumstances were completely different?
  - matthewowen 7y ago
    Oh, I actually agree that the system isn't doing what it supposed to and that we should exit it here. I just don't think it will have that much effect on most consumers, because the volume is comparatively tiny. That's all I'm saying.
- magduf 7y ago
  AliExpress survives entirely from these low postal rates, and a chunk of Ebay business does too.
  - matthewowen 7y ago
    Yes, that's exactly my point. It's a niche, and that niche is much much much smaller than the overall category of "things that were imported from China". And further to the point of impact on trade volumes: a good number of those purchases will instead just happen on amazon or wherever, and will still be of products originating in China: they'll just take a different path into the country and potentially be more expensive.
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phy6 7y ago

Correct. Vietnam is already accusing China of exporting things claimed to have been made in Vietnam. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9281123/china-mislabelling-products-made-in-vietnam-avoid-trump-tariffs/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9281123/china-mislabelling-pro...

kerkeslager 7y ago

> Well, at a minimum it makes goods from China more expensive and drop shipping from China no longer makes sense for many products. Well, given the number of products we buy from China, this sounds like it's going to make things more expensive for US Citizens. > If you aren't getting those products from China, they'll come from somewhere else. ...for a higher price, probably, which we will pay.

matthewowen 7y ago
Very few items bought from China come via the postal system: they're primarily moved by freight to USA fulfillment centers and then shipped domestically when orders come in. So no, it won't make things more expensive for most consumers. There's a high likelihood that you've never received anything from China by mail.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  That is just absolutely not true. First, go ahead and read the article. Next, order a few $1 items from AliExpress.
  - matthewowen 7y ago
    I have ordered things from aliexpress. I've ordered orders of magnitude more stuff from Amazon. That's my point. A number doesn't have to be zero to be practically insignificant.
    - EpicEng 7y ago
      Your point is that because Amazon is sells more stuff than AliExpress we should stay in a bad deal? Not sure I get that point.
      - matthewowen 7y ago
        Please point out where I said we should. I'll wait. I'm just saying that it won't have a large negative impact on consumers or overall trade volumes. If anything I'm defending. This is extremely tiresome.

matthewowen 7y ago

How many products are directly shipped from China through the postal service? The answer is very few. This will have little to no impact on trade volumes overall, since they're largely moved as freight.

EpicEng 7y ago
It's not about having a huge impact on trade volumes. It will have an impact on small stuff and drop shipping. Why should we stay in a bad deal that was made fifty years ago when circumstances were completely different?
- matthewowen 7y ago
  Oh, I actually agree that the system isn't doing what it supposed to and that we should exit it here. I just don't think it will have that much effect on most consumers, because the volume is comparatively tiny. That's all I'm saying.
magduf 7y ago
AliExpress survives entirely from these low postal rates, and a chunk of Ebay business does too.
- matthewowen 7y ago
  Yes, that's exactly my point. It's a niche, and that niche is much much much smaller than the overall category of "things that were imported from China". And further to the point of impact on trade volumes: a good number of those purchases will instead just happen on amazon or wherever, and will still be of products originating in China: they'll just take a different path into the country and potentially be more expensive.
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  - magduf 7y ago