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Gut contents were almost irrelevant in my tests. Logically I think this comes down to dehyrdated food weighs very, very little. So in general the weight of food

Gut contents were almost irrelevant in my tests. Logically I think this comes down to dehyrdated food weighs very, very little. So in general the weight of food is mostly from water. Therefore, gut contents don't contribute much to weight. Hydration wasn't the issue, because I weighed myself consistently at regular intervals. And "true weight" (if that is right term) is supposed to be based on morning weight. Well I could compare morning, noon, even and night weight across all days for a month. So I could tell when I weighed at any particular time. In my experiment I always was my lowest weight in the morning. The normal explanation is "because you pee'd and were dehydrated." Well, then if I stay up all night, don't drink anything extra, and pee in the morning as usual, then I should weigh the same as when I slept? But that is not what happened. I didn't lose weight. Then i went to sleep, woke, urinated, and then I had lost the expected .5 pounds that afternoon instead. Again, I only ate one meal a day (at the end of the day, 5pm, so this did not effect the sleep pattern), and I tested for water intake/urination. I lost on average .5 lbs a day, and that day I didn't lose that weight until after sleeping until the afternoon. I seem to have stirred up a hornets nest by making this claim, but I was careful about my testing, and it's not a crazy notion.

ebg13 7y ago
It is a crazy notion and you weren't careful about your testing. So far it sounds like you didn't actually measure the weight of your consumption and excretion. You just assumed they stayed constant. You also assume other things like that you pee the same volume after sleeping as after not sleeping.
- RobertRoberts 7y ago
  Yep, what if you pee more after sleeping? I agree. But I found that it affected total weight loss, I didn't lose as much when my sleep was affected. My assumption is that waste, fat, energy process is complicated, and that something happens during sleep that the body gets rid of stuff, and if it doesn't have enough time to do that, it will just leave some things in place. This is a logical conclusion based on limited resources = limited outcome. The assumption I am challenging is simply that "diet + exercise" = weight control. But I have found that you need "diet + exercise + quality sleep" = weight control in my tests. But then later, I found that "diet + sleep" = weight control. (I have not exercised for over 2 years now testing this, weighing myself daily) After this experiment a few years ago I gained almost all the weight lost in 6 months. But then lost _more_ weight without any exercise at all. (I stopped exercising entirely for more than a year to test this theory) And I found that I could eat 2 meals a day, no exercise, good sleep and I could lose weight. And as soon as I break my good patterns (any of the ones I mentioned in my comments already), weight will come back on.
  - ebg13 7y ago
    > My assumption is that waste, fat, energy process is complicated, and that something happens during sleep that the body gets rid of stuff, and if it doesn't have enough time to do that, it will just leave some things in place. That sounds a lot to an outsider like you'd already made up your mind before you even started. That leads to terrible experimental hygiene, and you're missing a lot of important details in the naive experimentation procedure: 0. Nothing in the body happens at a constant rate. It's wildly inaccurate to assume that everything will happen at the same pace from day to day, even if you change nothing about your behavior. 1. When people talk about losing "weight", what they really mean is losing fat. 2. Without exercise, your muscles atrophy. 3. Muscles weigh something, but that's not the weight you want to lose. The reason that it's diet + exercise and not literally just diet is partly because people want an excuse to not put down the fork but mostly because exercise is critical for physical and mental health beyond weight loss. 4. Nobody says that sleeping isn't important for all kinds of things. Sleeping _is_ important. For one thing, sleeping well help you maintain your diet and exercise better. You will be happier, you may be satiated by eating less, and you will be able to push yourself harder while exercising. But none of those things mean that you're specifically losing weight while you sleep. 5. You don't immediately excrete everything that you took in the previous day when you get up in the morning. It takes a lot longer than one day to pee out your body's retained water unless you're plowing through intense diuretics (DO NOT DO THIS). 6. All of your poop is food that your body didn't absorb plus bacteria that live and die in your intestines. Your body doesn't clear cellular waste that way. You also don't immediately poop out everything from the day before when you get up in the morning unless you're plowing through intense laxatives (DO NOT DO THIS). 7. Your body does clear cellular waste through your urine, but by mass the waste that you pee out (as opposed to all the water) is just not very much. 8. By far the vast majority of weight lost is from carbon exhaled as CO2 [ref1], which you literally do all the time, not just when you sleep. 9. Sleep affects how often and how much you pee (kidney filtration rate) and poop (gut motility). [ref1] - https://www.sciencealert.com/where-body-fat-ends-up-when-you-lose-weight https://www.sciencealert.com/where-body-fat-ends-up-when-you...

ebg13 7y ago

It is a crazy notion and you weren't careful about your testing. So far it sounds like you didn't actually measure the weight of your consumption and excretion. You just assumed they stayed constant. You also assume other things like that you pee the same volume after sleeping as after not sleeping.

RobertRoberts 7y ago
Yep, what if you pee more after sleeping? I agree. But I found that it affected total weight loss, I didn't lose as much when my sleep was affected. My assumption is that waste, fat, energy process is complicated, and that something happens during sleep that the body gets rid of stuff, and if it doesn't have enough time to do that, it will just leave some things in place. This is a logical conclusion based on limited resources = limited outcome. The assumption I am challenging is simply that "diet + exercise" = weight control. But I have found that you need "diet + exercise + quality sleep" = weight control in my tests. But then later, I found that "diet + sleep" = weight control. (I have not exercised for over 2 years now testing this, weighing myself daily) After this experiment a few years ago I gained almost all the weight lost in 6 months. But then lost _more_ weight without any exercise at all. (I stopped exercising entirely for more than a year to test this theory) And I found that I could eat 2 meals a day, no exercise, good sleep and I could lose weight. And as soon as I break my good patterns (any of the ones I mentioned in my comments already), weight will come back on.
- ebg13 7y ago
  > My assumption is that waste, fat, energy process is complicated, and that something happens during sleep that the body gets rid of stuff, and if it doesn't have enough time to do that, it will just leave some things in place. That sounds a lot to an outsider like you'd already made up your mind before you even started. That leads to terrible experimental hygiene, and you're missing a lot of important details in the naive experimentation procedure: 0. Nothing in the body happens at a constant rate. It's wildly inaccurate to assume that everything will happen at the same pace from day to day, even if you change nothing about your behavior. 1. When people talk about losing "weight", what they really mean is losing fat. 2. Without exercise, your muscles atrophy. 3. Muscles weigh something, but that's not the weight you want to lose. The reason that it's diet + exercise and not literally just diet is partly because people want an excuse to not put down the fork but mostly because exercise is critical for physical and mental health beyond weight loss. 4. Nobody says that sleeping isn't important for all kinds of things. Sleeping _is_ important. For one thing, sleeping well help you maintain your diet and exercise better. You will be happier, you may be satiated by eating less, and you will be able to push yourself harder while exercising. But none of those things mean that you're specifically losing weight while you sleep. 5. You don't immediately excrete everything that you took in the previous day when you get up in the morning. It takes a lot longer than one day to pee out your body's retained water unless you're plowing through intense diuretics (DO NOT DO THIS). 6. All of your poop is food that your body didn't absorb plus bacteria that live and die in your intestines. Your body doesn't clear cellular waste that way. You also don't immediately poop out everything from the day before when you get up in the morning unless you're plowing through intense laxatives (DO NOT DO THIS). 7. Your body does clear cellular waste through your urine, but by mass the waste that you pee out (as opposed to all the water) is just not very much. 8. By far the vast majority of weight lost is from carbon exhaled as CO2 [ref1], which you literally do all the time, not just when you sleep. 9. Sleep affects how often and how much you pee (kidney filtration rate) and poop (gut motility). [ref1] - https://www.sciencealert.com/where-body-fat-ends-up-when-you-lose-weight https://www.sciencealert.com/where-body-fat-ends-up-when-you...