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I mean, that is terrible, but abortion clinics commit millions of murders each year according to pro-lifers, so your comment falls on deaf ears.

AlexandrB 7y ago
They forget all the manslaughter by mothers who miscarry, plus all the fratricide when one twin absorbs another. It's a god damn slaughter in America's uteruses!
- tathougies 7y ago
  OMG, like literally no ethicist has ever thought of these things. Thank goodness for anonymous hacker news users for thinking the really deep thoughts!
bdamm 7y ago
Globally? In the United States, this is not true[1]. Anti-choicers can claim whatever they want but we still shouldn't be repeating false data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_Uni...
- tathougies 7y ago
  From your own link... from 1978 to 1997, there were more than a million abortions each year. But... now that we know abortion clinics only murder a few hundred thousand, that makes them like twice as good as they used to be. That's how this works, right?
  - bdamm 7y ago
    Looking at the data with compassion, I would say that access to abortion didn't result in more abortions. In fact, the opposite occurred; access to abortions appears to have reduced the abortion rate over the long term. So if you are truly pro-life, then you would want abortion to be very easy to access; this will save (prevent the "murder" as you say) babies by the millions. Obviously it isn't access alone, though, probably the real cause is that increased access to abortion comes with increased sex education and access to birth control for women, which in turn lowers the rate of unexpected pregnancies, which in turn lowers the rate of abortions. Now if only we could all agree on improving sex ed!
    - rand4321 7y ago
      By that logic we should kill poor people who may go on to have abortions
Miner49er 7y ago
And fertility clinics commit even more. Yet no one talks about them.
- tathougies 7y ago
  The Catholic church, the largest pro-life organization, is pretty vehemently against IVF, in all cases, for any reason. It talks about them quite often, but there is little support for it outside the church (most protestant denoms do not agree with the catholics here), so it receives very little mainstream attention. However, within the 'Catholic bubble', fertility clinics probably get as much ire.
  - Miner49er 7y ago
    What about embryos that aren't implanted? That just don't make it naturally? 1 in 3 eggs don't make it for every kne that does. Does the Catholic church want to do anything about those? I quick Google search didn't bring anything up.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > 1 in 3 eggs don't make it for every kne that does. Does the Catholic church want to do anything about those? The Catholic heirarchy views that no differently than other natural death, which, while it might be something better to reduce, is not an active moral wrong the way homicide (including, in the view of the heirarchy, direct abortion) is. (I say “heirarchy” rather than “Church” here because the evidence suggest that the mass of the faithful, the body of the Church, aren't particularly in line behind the heirarchy on this issue—polls in the US, for instance, fairly consistently see virtually no difference in distribution of political views on abortion between Catholics and Americans generally.)
    - tathougies 7y ago
      The church would support medicines to help these children implant and make it. However, it is also the same as natural death (trying to increase the chance of non-implantation is the same sin as abortion). Speaking from personal experience with our recurrent miscarriages, Catholic doctors cared the most, and ultimately, their diligence and dedication is why we have our daughter. The rest told us to just forget about it. The Catholic ones cared, and are why we have living children.

AlexandrB 7y ago

They forget all the manslaughter by mothers who miscarry, plus all the fratricide when one twin absorbs another. It's a god damn slaughter in America's uteruses!

tathougies 7y ago
OMG, like literally no ethicist has ever thought of these things. Thank goodness for anonymous hacker news users for thinking the really deep thoughts!

bdamm 7y ago

Globally? In the United States, this is not true[1]. Anti-choicers can claim whatever they want but we still shouldn't be repeating false data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_Uni...

tathougies 7y ago
From your own link... from 1978 to 1997, there were more than a million abortions each year. But... now that we know abortion clinics only murder a few hundred thousand, that makes them like twice as good as they used to be. That's how this works, right?
- bdamm 7y ago
  Looking at the data with compassion, I would say that access to abortion didn't result in more abortions. In fact, the opposite occurred; access to abortions appears to have reduced the abortion rate over the long term. So if you are truly pro-life, then you would want abortion to be very easy to access; this will save (prevent the "murder" as you say) babies by the millions. Obviously it isn't access alone, though, probably the real cause is that increased access to abortion comes with increased sex education and access to birth control for women, which in turn lowers the rate of unexpected pregnancies, which in turn lowers the rate of abortions. Now if only we could all agree on improving sex ed!
  - rand4321 7y ago
    By that logic we should kill poor people who may go on to have abortions

Miner49er 7y ago

And fertility clinics commit even more. Yet no one talks about them.

tathougies 7y ago
The Catholic church, the largest pro-life organization, is pretty vehemently against IVF, in all cases, for any reason. It talks about them quite often, but there is little support for it outside the church (most protestant denoms do not agree with the catholics here), so it receives very little mainstream attention. However, within the 'Catholic bubble', fertility clinics probably get as much ire.
- Miner49er 7y ago
  What about embryos that aren't implanted? That just don't make it naturally? 1 in 3 eggs don't make it for every kne that does. Does the Catholic church want to do anything about those? I quick Google search didn't bring anything up.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > 1 in 3 eggs don't make it for every kne that does. Does the Catholic church want to do anything about those? The Catholic heirarchy views that no differently than other natural death, which, while it might be something better to reduce, is not an active moral wrong the way homicide (including, in the view of the heirarchy, direct abortion) is. (I say “heirarchy” rather than “Church” here because the evidence suggest that the mass of the faithful, the body of the Church, aren't particularly in line behind the heirarchy on this issue—polls in the US, for instance, fairly consistently see virtually no difference in distribution of political views on abortion between Catholics and Americans generally.)
  - tathougies 7y ago
    The church would support medicines to help these children implant and make it. However, it is also the same as natural death (trying to increase the chance of non-implantation is the same sin as abortion). Speaking from personal experience with our recurrent miscarriages, Catholic doctors cared the most, and ultimately, their diligence and dedication is why we have our daughter. The rest told us to just forget about it. The Catholic ones cared, and are why we have living children.