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> It had nothing to do with politics. Surely you can see that this is impossible. There is no component of a video like this which has "nothing to do with pol

by jMyles 7y ago

> It had nothing to do with politics. Surely you can see that this is impossible. There is no component of a video like this which has "nothing to do with politics."

ceejayoz 7y ago
Let's say 30-40% of the population takes the political position that the eye is directly attached to the knee. Saying that's not true isn't a political position, even if the falsehood it's debunking is one.
jjulius 7y ago
No, it's not. Please re-read my post. I said that "the fact check itself" is not political. I did not defend the political bias of the video itself. You would also do well to actually read the article, especially the screenshot of the fact-check. You'll notice that the fact-check, per my post, simply addresses the facts of the issue and does not make a single political statement. Edit: You also modified my statement when quoting me, making it more ambiguous than I had written it. Please be sure to quote people accurately in the future.
- hartator 7y ago
  The thing is FB is not fact checking leftist videos the same way they were doing with the right. Untrue facts about guns for example are never pointed out. Like almost every guns are semi-automatic. Including revolvers and handguns. Making banning semi-automatic weapons in profit of handguns a non-sense.
  - jjulius 7y ago
    >The thing is FB is not fact checking leftist videos the same way they were doing with the right. Can you please provide data that supports this statement? >Untrue facts about guns for example are never pointed out. Using absolutes such as "never" in a statement like that can often be a bit of a stretch. Like my last question, do you have proof that Facebook has never fact-checked a single gun video?
    - hartator 7y ago
      I mean the burden of the proof is on you not on me. Find an anti-gun video or content that has been fact checked by FB. And you can't. All the fact checks we are seeing is against right wing content.
      - jjulius 7y ago
        "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
        hartator 7y ago
        It's just because you can't find any content. It will be very easy to prove I am not right on this one by pointing to one video.
        fzeroracer 7y ago
        I believe Facebook is censoring the existence of molemen located deep within the third layer of our hollow earth. I am correct, because you cannot find a single video on Facebook which posits the existence of said molemen. Therefore, Facebook is censoring those videos.
        hartator 7y ago
        You can find tons of videos on FB advocating gun control. But none are fact checked. Despite containing blatant untrue information.
    - CompanionCuuube 7y ago
      > Can you please provide data that supports this statement? What kind of data do you believe would be necessary for a negative claim like this? Do I have proof there is no teapot between the Earth and the moon? No. Do you believe this means you can dismiss my claim that there isn't a teapot floating between the Earth and the moon?
  - Miner49er 7y ago
    Most (many?) leftists don't support banning guns by the way. At the very least it's widely debated on the left. The term you're looking for is "liberal" or Democrat.
    - hartator 7y ago
      I thought US lefts = US liberals == US Democrats?
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        No. In more detail, “liberal” in US politics has a lot of conflicting uses and is almost a useless term. The US Democratic Party is dominated (though somewhat less so today than a few years ago) by a neoliberal, centrist (arguably center-right) pro-capitalist faction, which tends to also be where the most consistent support for gun control in the Democratic Party, or mainstream US politics more generally, is. It’s next biggest faction (the closest mainstream US politics has to a “left”) is a center-left social democratic faction (some of which self-identifies as democratic socialist); this faction has a mix of people who are less supportive of gun control than than the neoliberal faction of the party, and those that favor more extreme gun control, and everywhere in between. The actual American left, which is largely outside of the major parties, is also quite mixed on gun control.
      - ceejayoz 7y ago
        There are quite a few centrist and even right-leaning Democrats. Joe Manchin, for example.
    - stochastic_monk 7y ago
      The Socialist Rifle Association, for instance, consists of left-leaning individuals who like guns.
bdamm 7y ago
Objective truth does exist. That abortion is medically necessary in certain cases, including before 24 weeks, is an objective truth. Those wishing for alternatives sometimes will claim that the technology for resolving cases without abortion could exist if we researched it might have a point, but it remains theoretical and therefore, given today's technology, abortion is sometimes medically required. The rest of it might be politics, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore objective facts.
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by jMyles 7y ago

> It had nothing to do with politics. Surely you can see that this is impossible. There is no component of a video like this which has "nothing to do with politics."

ceejayoz 7y ago

Let's say 30-40% of the population takes the political position that the eye is directly attached to the knee. Saying that's not true isn't a political position, even if the falsehood it's debunking is one.

jjulius 7y ago

No, it's not. Please re-read my post. I said that "the fact check itself" is not political. I did not defend the political bias of the video itself. You would also do well to actually read the article, especially the screenshot of the fact-check. You'll notice that the fact-check, per my post, simply addresses the facts of the issue and does not make a single political statement. Edit: You also modified my statement when quoting me, making it more ambiguous than I had written it. Please be sure to quote people accurately in the future.

hartator 7y ago
The thing is FB is not fact checking leftist videos the same way they were doing with the right. Untrue facts about guns for example are never pointed out. Like almost every guns are semi-automatic. Including revolvers and handguns. Making banning semi-automatic weapons in profit of handguns a non-sense.
- jjulius 7y ago
  >The thing is FB is not fact checking leftist videos the same way they were doing with the right. Can you please provide data that supports this statement? >Untrue facts about guns for example are never pointed out. Using absolutes such as "never" in a statement like that can often be a bit of a stretch. Like my last question, do you have proof that Facebook has never fact-checked a single gun video?
  - hartator 7y ago
    I mean the burden of the proof is on you not on me. Find an anti-gun video or content that has been fact checked by FB. And you can't. All the fact checks we are seeing is against right wing content.
    - jjulius 7y ago
      "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
      - hartator 7y ago
        It's just because you can't find any content. It will be very easy to prove I am not right on this one by pointing to one video.
        fzeroracer 7y ago
        I believe Facebook is censoring the existence of molemen located deep within the third layer of our hollow earth. I am correct, because you cannot find a single video on Facebook which posits the existence of said molemen. Therefore, Facebook is censoring those videos.
        hartator 7y ago
        You can find tons of videos on FB advocating gun control. But none are fact checked. Despite containing blatant untrue information.
  - CompanionCuuube 7y ago
    > Can you please provide data that supports this statement? What kind of data do you believe would be necessary for a negative claim like this? Do I have proof there is no teapot between the Earth and the moon? No. Do you believe this means you can dismiss my claim that there isn't a teapot floating between the Earth and the moon?
- Miner49er 7y ago
  Most (many?) leftists don't support banning guns by the way. At the very least it's widely debated on the left. The term you're looking for is "liberal" or Democrat.
  - hartator 7y ago
    I thought US lefts = US liberals == US Democrats?
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      No. In more detail, “liberal” in US politics has a lot of conflicting uses and is almost a useless term. The US Democratic Party is dominated (though somewhat less so today than a few years ago) by a neoliberal, centrist (arguably center-right) pro-capitalist faction, which tends to also be where the most consistent support for gun control in the Democratic Party, or mainstream US politics more generally, is. It’s next biggest faction (the closest mainstream US politics has to a “left”) is a center-left social democratic faction (some of which self-identifies as democratic socialist); this faction has a mix of people who are less supportive of gun control than than the neoliberal faction of the party, and those that favor more extreme gun control, and everywhere in between. The actual American left, which is largely outside of the major parties, is also quite mixed on gun control.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      There are quite a few centrist and even right-leaning Democrats. Joe Manchin, for example.
  - stochastic_monk 7y ago
    The Socialist Rifle Association, for instance, consists of left-leaning individuals who like guns.

bdamm 7y ago

Objective truth does exist. That abortion is medically necessary in certain cases, including before 24 weeks, is an objective truth. Those wishing for alternatives sometimes will claim that the technology for resolving cases without abortion could exist if we researched it might have a point, but it remains theoretical and therefore, given today's technology, abortion is sometimes medically required. The rest of it might be politics, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore objective facts.

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