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Terraform is great but if you want to change to a different cloud provider you pretty much have to rewrite everything

by LIV2 7y ago

eropple 7y ago
Terraform is okay, if you don't value things like "loops that aren't an awful hack", but in 2019 Pulumi is significantly better and their cloud-agnostic implementation actually kinda works okay.
- ndarwincorn 7y ago
  We should make an effort to redefine how we use 'infrastructure-as-code', because right now Pulumi/Troposphere/Azure PowerShell and Ansible/Terraform/etc. are indistinguishable when viewed that way, despite the former being much more useful. Infrastructure-as-verisonable-flat-configuration-files should not be thought of as infrastructure-as-code.
- LIV2 7y ago
  Haven't heard of Pulumi before your comment but will be sure to check it out now :)
- snlnspc 7y ago
  Pulumi would be perfect if the community edition was simply self hosted without support vs free with a single user only. At a stingy small org, I have no hope of ever using it instead of simply installing Terraform when the starter edition excludes secrets management and the API.
  - eropple 7y ago
    It's a bit rocky and I've been filing bugs to help, but S3 state support is strictly no worse than Terraform's and supports secrets just fine.
    - snlnspc 7y ago
      That's good to hear! Admittedly the main issue for us is convincing others that 1 user at $50/month is justifiable.
      - eropple 7y ago
        S3 support's free. It definitely works well enough.
0xEFF 7y ago
> Terraform is great but if you want to change to a different cloud provider you pretty much have to rewrite everything While true, the process is closer to a variable name refactor than to a complete re-write. With Terraform, you have the stack described in code and the resource names translate cleanly across cloud vendors. Certainly more so than a word doc describing infrastructure setup steps.
evv 7y ago
Yeah? If you build on top of popular open infra that is hosted by a variety of providers, it shouldn't be too hard. You can build on top of K8s, Postgres, and S3-alike APIs, then use Terraform to move across AWS, GoogleCloud and DO without having to rewrite a thing.

Terraform is great but if you want to change to a different cloud provider you pretty much have to rewrite everything

by LIV2 7y ago

Terraform is great but if you want to change to a different cloud provider you pretty much have to rewrite everything

Terraform is okay, if you don't value things like "loops that aren't an awful hack", but in 2019 Pulumi is significantly better and their cloud-agnostic implementation actually kinda works okay.

ndarwincorn 7y ago
We should make an effort to redefine how we use 'infrastructure-as-code', because right now Pulumi/Troposphere/Azure PowerShell and Ansible/Terraform/etc. are indistinguishable when viewed that way, despite the former being much more useful. Infrastructure-as-verisonable-flat-configuration-files should not be thought of as infrastructure-as-code.
LIV2 7y ago
Haven't heard of Pulumi before your comment but will be sure to check it out now :)
snlnspc 7y ago
Pulumi would be perfect if the community edition was simply self hosted without support vs free with a single user only. At a stingy small org, I have no hope of ever using it instead of simply installing Terraform when the starter edition excludes secrets management and the API.
- eropple 7y ago
  It's a bit rocky and I've been filing bugs to help, but S3 state support is strictly no worse than Terraform's and supports secrets just fine.
  - snlnspc 7y ago
    That's good to hear! Admittedly the main issue for us is convincing others that 1 user at $50/month is justifiable.
    - eropple 7y ago
      S3 support's free. It definitely works well enough.

0xEFF 7y ago

> Terraform is great but if you want to change to a different cloud provider you pretty much have to rewrite everything While true, the process is closer to a variable name refactor than to a complete re-write. With Terraform, you have the stack described in code and the resource names translate cleanly across cloud vendors. Certainly more so than a word doc describing infrastructure setup steps.

evv 7y ago

Yeah? If you build on top of popular open infra that is hosted by a variety of providers, it shouldn't be too hard. You can build on top of K8s, Postgres, and S3-alike APIs, then use Terraform to move across AWS, GoogleCloud and DO without having to rewrite a thing.