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It's still a bit orwellian to manipulate students into installing a tracking app like that. Couldn't they just have the students who want to opt in swipe or ta

It's still a bit orwellian to manipulate students into installing a tracking app like that. Couldn't they just have the students who want to opt in swipe or tap their student IDs as they enter and again as they leave?

mikeash 7y ago
What would you do if someone wants to leave without swiping? Hold them there against their will? That would be eight million times more Orwellian than asking them to voluntarily install an app in exchange for some points.
- pavon 7y ago
  You are free to come an go any time you want, swiping or not, but only people who swipe in before the game starts, and swipe out after the game ends would get entered to win playoff tickets. It would be easier to game (you could leave for part of the game and return), but is less invasive than the app approach.
  - Donald 7y ago
    Students would just give their cards to their friends who were staying at the game.
    - falcrist 7y ago
      Students could just give their phones to their friends.
dusing 7y ago
It’s hard swipe 17,000 students twice during a game, we use beacons to do it automatically in the background.
partialrecall 7y ago
The likely reason they're using phones, not keycards, is because students would be more likely to let their buddy hold onto their keycard than their phone. A phone is more personal/sensitive and the stress of being without it for even a short period of time doubtlessly reduces the incidence rate of 'fraud.'
- yabadabadoes 7y ago
  Doesn't everyone have an old phone at this point? Is the app going to check if activity implies it is their current phone? It seems easy and less intrusive for the majority(?) who wont get anything in return for installing a sketchy app to just give tickets out randomly toward the end of a game and anyone who is there at the end more often has a better chance of getting one.
  - partialrecall 7y ago
    Maybe, but this scheme still discourages casual spur-of-the-moment fraud.

mikeash 7y ago

What would you do if someone wants to leave without swiping? Hold them there against their will? That would be eight million times more Orwellian than asking them to voluntarily install an app in exchange for some points.

pavon 7y ago
You are free to come an go any time you want, swiping or not, but only people who swipe in before the game starts, and swipe out after the game ends would get entered to win playoff tickets. It would be easier to game (you could leave for part of the game and return), but is less invasive than the app approach.
- Donald 7y ago
  Students would just give their cards to their friends who were staying at the game.
  - falcrist 7y ago
    Students could just give their phones to their friends.

dusing 7y ago

It’s hard swipe 17,000 students twice during a game, we use beacons to do it automatically in the background.

partialrecall 7y ago

The likely reason they're using phones, not keycards, is because students would be more likely to let their buddy hold onto their keycard than their phone. A phone is more personal/sensitive and the stress of being without it for even a short period of time doubtlessly reduces the incidence rate of 'fraud.'

yabadabadoes 7y ago
Doesn't everyone have an old phone at this point? Is the app going to check if activity implies it is their current phone? It seems easy and less intrusive for the majority(?) who wont get anything in return for installing a sketchy app to just give tickets out randomly toward the end of a game and anyone who is there at the end more often has a better chance of getting one.
- partialrecall 7y ago
  Maybe, but this scheme still discourages casual spur-of-the-moment fraud.