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Apple's value is it's advertising and brand. It's products are objectively not higher quality. People just say that because they have been told that by other pe

by chimi 7y ago

Apple's value is it's advertising and brand. It's products are objectively not higher quality. People just say that because they have been told that by other people. High quality products last a long time. Apple's products are engineered to not last a long time. There's absolutely no reason I should be forced to buy a new macbook pro to run xcode. Either xcode is a low quality product, the macbook is a low quality product -- or both, which is the case. There are vastly superior products to both the macbook pro and xcode.

tomp 7y ago
I've a 2013 MacBook Pro and am in a market for a new laptop. Please suggest a higher quality product. Even just matching this product, is a challenge - keyboard, trackpad, retina display, battery life, operating system (Windows is spyware, Linux hardly works on laptops). Not to mention that e.g. Apple's ecosystem (iCloud, iPhone, MacBooks, ...) are way better integrated than anything else. Privacy advantages (iPhone is literally the only sensible option for a privacy-oriented consumer). I could go on. Look. I wish any other company would step up and make anything even remotely similar. But they just keep dropping the ball. Closest are probably XPS laptops, but (1) they run inferior OSs, (2) the hardware is probably subtly inferior (e.g. trackpad, battery life, heating & ventilation, plastic chassis (LOL), weight, ...), so for the price I might just buy Apple again (or stay with my old laptop, which, contrary to your comment, still works very well - though admittedly I don't have to use XCode).
- neutronicus 7y ago
  The keyboard on my wife's MacBook Pro is already malfunctioning pretty egregiously after like a year of ownership so even the latest Apple stuff is not a great 2013 MacBook replacement.
  - tomp 7y ago
    Yeah, I agree, but to catch up to 2013 Apple, 2019 Apple only has to fix the keyboard and a few other hardware updates, whereas other manufacturers have a whole new OS to write :)
- chimi 7y ago
  I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad with a Xeon processor, which you can't get in a MacBook Pro, which I also have 2 of, and from personal experience having owned and/or extensively used Dell Latitudes and Inspirons, a Toshiba Qosmio, and Surface laptops, my opinion is that the Lenovo is the best laptop available.
- traverseda 7y ago
  Well I mean that's not really a real question, is it? You've specifically phrased it so that only a macbook would be acceptable. But if you're at all serious, the Xiomi probook is pretty good. It doesn't have a retina display but non-retina displays work better with linux so I actually prefer that for a linux laptop. It also has an nvidia-optimus gpu setup, which is a big improvement. Everything works out of the box on linux. Of course if you're married to mac OS you're married to mac OS.
- sershe 7y ago
  As far as the OS goes, having used MacOS at work for 6 years across 2 separate Pro laptops, ending about a year ago, I'd now rather write code on Windows 98. The terminal was one bright spot until it started crashing repeatedly about a year or two ago (many reports of that online and it was not fixed for months, until I no longer had to use MacOS). I have a looong list of glitches, crashes, hangs and feature rants, but my favorite was the proliferation of "Memory cleaner" apps, one of which I've actually had to use. The way they work is they take up a ton of memory and then release it to force MacOS to actually manage memory properly, so all your other apps don't stutter or crash with allocation failures. And it worked like a charm for me! I've had a free app but apparently people pay for them, too. That's pretty much MacOS in a nutshell as far as my experience goes.

by chimi 7y ago

tomp 7y ago

I've a 2013 MacBook Pro and am in a market for a new laptop. Please suggest a higher quality product. Even just matching this product, is a challenge - keyboard, trackpad, retina display, battery life, operating system (Windows is spyware, Linux hardly works on laptops). Not to mention that e.g. Apple's ecosystem (iCloud, iPhone, MacBooks, ...) are way better integrated than anything else. Privacy advantages (iPhone is literally the only sensible option for a privacy-oriented consumer). I could go on. Look. I wish any other company would step up and make anything even remotely similar. But they just keep dropping the ball. Closest are probably XPS laptops, but (1) they run inferior OSs, (2) the hardware is probably subtly inferior (e.g. trackpad, battery life, heating & ventilation, plastic chassis (LOL), weight, ...), so for the price I might just buy Apple again (or stay with my old laptop, which, contrary to your comment, still works very well - though admittedly I don't have to use XCode).

neutronicus 7y ago
The keyboard on my wife's MacBook Pro is already malfunctioning pretty egregiously after like a year of ownership so even the latest Apple stuff is not a great 2013 MacBook replacement.
- tomp 7y ago
  Yeah, I agree, but to catch up to 2013 Apple, 2019 Apple only has to fix the keyboard and a few other hardware updates, whereas other manufacturers have a whole new OS to write :)
chimi 7y ago
I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad with a Xeon processor, which you can't get in a MacBook Pro, which I also have 2 of, and from personal experience having owned and/or extensively used Dell Latitudes and Inspirons, a Toshiba Qosmio, and Surface laptops, my opinion is that the Lenovo is the best laptop available.
traverseda 7y ago
Well I mean that's not really a real question, is it? You've specifically phrased it so that only a macbook would be acceptable. But if you're at all serious, the Xiomi probook is pretty good. It doesn't have a retina display but non-retina displays work better with linux so I actually prefer that for a linux laptop. It also has an nvidia-optimus gpu setup, which is a big improvement. Everything works out of the box on linux. Of course if you're married to mac OS you're married to mac OS.
sershe 7y ago
As far as the OS goes, having used MacOS at work for 6 years across 2 separate Pro laptops, ending about a year ago, I'd now rather write code on Windows 98. The terminal was one bright spot until it started crashing repeatedly about a year or two ago (many reports of that online and it was not fixed for months, until I no longer had to use MacOS). I have a looong list of glitches, crashes, hangs and feature rants, but my favorite was the proliferation of "Memory cleaner" apps, one of which I've actually had to use. The way they work is they take up a ton of memory and then release it to force MacOS to actually manage memory properly, so all your other apps don't stutter or crash with allocation failures. And it worked like a charm for me! I've had a free app but apparently people pay for them, too. That's pretty much MacOS in a nutshell as far as my experience goes.