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Completely shameless plug: Lambda School (YC S17) is a 9 month full-time (or 18 month part-time) school that packs in the equivalent of two academic years, inc

Completely shameless plug: Lambda School (YC S17) is a 9 month full-time (or 18 month part-time) school that packs in the equivalent of two academic years, including Computer Science core and costs nothing until you're hired and making $50k+ in the field you studied (US only -international terms are different). Once you're hired you pay 17% of salary for two years, capped at a maximum of $30k. If you don't get a job in the field after five years the agreement disappears and you don't owe anything. We not only have a team of a dozen full-time career coaches, but another team of 12+ people whose only job it is to reach out to companies and actually line up interviews for you. A real enterprise sales team working in your behalf. https://lambdaschool.com https://lambdaschool.com

GaryNumanVevo 7y ago
Would you care to respond about paying students to post reviews?
- austenallred 7y ago
  We’ve never paid students to post reviews. We (along with the review sites) will hold a raffle or offer swag to anyone who leaves a review (positive or negative). One of our students last year won a gift card from the review site for leaving a review and tweeted “I just got a $50 Amazon gift card for leaving a review for Lambda School” and it turned into a whole thing. We literally weren’t involved in that in any way. Trying to twist that into “Lambda School pays students to leave reviews” is 100% incorrect.
  - owenversteeg 7y ago
    I understand your position, but giving someone a reward to post a review will strongly bias them in your favor. This has been very well known, for a long time (there are many examples going back decades, Amazon Vine for one.) The thing is, reviews (in general) are usually biased towards the positive. Even more strongly so when you consider that (in the case of a coding bootcamp) you've just spent an enormous amount of time, money and energy there - nobody's going to want to trash it. I think we'd agree that in the case where someone had a great experience with your school, they'd post a great review, and when someone had a truly terrible experience, they'd probably post a terrible review. But what about when someone has a merely "meh" experience? In that case, someone will likely (with a bit of a push towards the positive) write a simple, positive review. Maybe they thought they'd have learned faster by themselves... but there's a gift card? And my friends will see the review? Hmm... I'll just write something short and positive. In general, I think there are a lot of things that are a careful balance, easy to tip in one way or another - politics, public opinion, social issues - and reviews are certainly one of these things.
    - austenallred 7y ago
      Again, it wasn't us offering the reward in this instance, it was the review site. But generally I think it's fair that you should not take code school reviews very seriously.

GaryNumanVevo 7y ago

Would you care to respond about paying students to post reviews?

austenallred 7y ago
We’ve never paid students to post reviews. We (along with the review sites) will hold a raffle or offer swag to anyone who leaves a review (positive or negative). One of our students last year won a gift card from the review site for leaving a review and tweeted “I just got a $50 Amazon gift card for leaving a review for Lambda School” and it turned into a whole thing. We literally weren’t involved in that in any way. Trying to twist that into “Lambda School pays students to leave reviews” is 100% incorrect.
- owenversteeg 7y ago
  I understand your position, but giving someone a reward to post a review will strongly bias them in your favor. This has been very well known, for a long time (there are many examples going back decades, Amazon Vine for one.) The thing is, reviews (in general) are usually biased towards the positive. Even more strongly so when you consider that (in the case of a coding bootcamp) you've just spent an enormous amount of time, money and energy there - nobody's going to want to trash it. I think we'd agree that in the case where someone had a great experience with your school, they'd post a great review, and when someone had a truly terrible experience, they'd probably post a terrible review. But what about when someone has a merely "meh" experience? In that case, someone will likely (with a bit of a push towards the positive) write a simple, positive review. Maybe they thought they'd have learned faster by themselves... but there's a gift card? And my friends will see the review? Hmm... I'll just write something short and positive. In general, I think there are a lot of things that are a careful balance, easy to tip in one way or another - politics, public opinion, social issues - and reviews are certainly one of these things.
  - austenallred 7y ago
    Again, it wasn't us offering the reward in this instance, it was the review site. But generally I think it's fair that you should not take code school reviews very seriously.