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Why do you think so? Who and how is using her, for what benefit?

whydoyoucare 7y ago
She is parroting ideas that the scientifically-inclined minds fed her. I am not sure if she understands everything she talked about (given her age). Using kids to sell ideas is "being used".
- rapind 7y ago
  Oh those terrible scientists brainwashing our kids. Something must be done.
  - whydoyoucare 7y ago
    For a start, teach kids to think critically and reject anything that is shoved down their throats as "the truth". Science and religion included. ;-)
- andrepd 7y ago
  >She is parroting ideas that the scientifically-inclined minds fed her. Is this satire or am I missing something here?
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  > the scientifically-inclined minds fed her Oh come on, this is blatant trolling. Be more subtle or you lose your target trollee audience.
- TomMarius 7y ago
  Eh, saying the truth is selling ideas? I had a software consulting company when I was 16, I am sure she understands.
  - whydoyoucare 7y ago
    Per my understanding, climate-science is not yet settled, with varying and wide-ranging opinions among scientists. I certainly do not want politicians to take "urgent" actions based on incomplete data and evidence, since any such action is bound to have long-term problematic consqeuences to my wallet. Greta is a smart kid, no denying that. However, I still believe she parrots a lot of information that she may not understand fully and is being used as a lobbying-tool to enact legislation. That, I have a problem with!
    - TomMarius 7y ago
      I can agree that what she says is used by others to promote their campaigns. Not her fault IMHO, though. I think she says reasonable things that are well researched, she doesn't talk about unsure thing; she mostly talks about the factual state of the world and demands answers and doesn't dictate solutions or what kind of action should be taken.
throwaway744678 7y ago
Ingmar rentzhog is. See https://uvell.se/2018/12/11/pr-spinnet-bakom-greta-thunberg/ https://uvell.se/2018/12/11/pr-spinnet-bakom-greta-thunberg/
homonculus1 7y ago
She is clearly a plant with handlers, institutional backing, and media favor. Children do not simply fall into the international spotlight, she is being heavily groomed, boosted, and prompted by public relations agents. Climate activism is one of the more noble purposes for using children as mouthpieces, of course, it's not like she's a pawn of some nefarious shadow group, but for some of us it still leaves a bad taste. And being that she is a mouthpiece, it seems like a collective delusion that she's discussed like some kind of key actor.
- atoav 7y ago
  Please don't forget that her school strike "fridays for future" sparked a whole movement of people her age (across europe) well before she got big in the media, a movement which since then produced many other people stepping in like "scientists for future" etc. If you spark something like that and act like the symbol of the betrayed next generation, media support is the best thing you can wish for. So rather than portraying this as something that is beeing done to her, I'd argue that she is entirely on board with the whole thing and more reflected about it than we give her credit for.
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    According to her Wikipedia a group called Fossil Free Dalsland contacted her first and suggested the school strike. Then another group called We Don't Have Time broadcast photographs to a wide online audience. Her strike was literally created by activist and media organizations, she is no more than a child spokesman for a viral marketing campaign. Like I said, it is a collective delusion where you have to buy into every facet, including the messianic self-made image, or you hate little girls and the environment.
    - atoav 7y ago
      She got the attention of Aftonbladdet¹ because she protested on the first day of school after the holidays in front of the Swedish parliament, which is in itself something that any newspaper would have picked up – especially because it was in the midst of an pan-european heatwave which in many places resulted in the highest temperatures of the century. Her own words on this are far more interesting: https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-ive-seen-many-rumors-circulating-about-me-and-enormous-amounts-of-hate-/767646880269801/ https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-... ¹:https://www.aftonbladet.se/svenskahjaltar/a/G1AL4q/greta-15-skolkar--for-klimatets-skull https://www.aftonbladet.se/svenskahjaltar/a/G1AL4q/greta-15-...

She is parroting ideas that the scientifically-inclined minds fed her. I am not sure if she understands everything she talked about (given her age). Using kids to sell ideas is "being used".

rapind 7y ago
Oh those terrible scientists brainwashing our kids. Something must be done.
- whydoyoucare 7y ago
  For a start, teach kids to think critically and reject anything that is shoved down their throats as "the truth". Science and religion included. ;-)
andrepd 7y ago
>She is parroting ideas that the scientifically-inclined minds fed her. Is this satire or am I missing something here?
tempguy9999 7y ago
> the scientifically-inclined minds fed her Oh come on, this is blatant trolling. Be more subtle or you lose your target trollee audience.
TomMarius 7y ago
Eh, saying the truth is selling ideas? I had a software consulting company when I was 16, I am sure she understands.
- whydoyoucare 7y ago
  Per my understanding, climate-science is not yet settled, with varying and wide-ranging opinions among scientists. I certainly do not want politicians to take "urgent" actions based on incomplete data and evidence, since any such action is bound to have long-term problematic consqeuences to my wallet. Greta is a smart kid, no denying that. However, I still believe she parrots a lot of information that she may not understand fully and is being used as a lobbying-tool to enact legislation. That, I have a problem with!
  - TomMarius 7y ago
    I can agree that what she says is used by others to promote their campaigns. Not her fault IMHO, though. I think she says reasonable things that are well researched, she doesn't talk about unsure thing; she mostly talks about the factual state of the world and demands answers and doesn't dictate solutions or what kind of action should be taken.

throwaway744678 7y ago

Ingmar rentzhog is. See https://uvell.se/2018/12/11/pr-spinnet-bakom-greta-thunberg/ https://uvell.se/2018/12/11/pr-spinnet-bakom-greta-thunberg/

homonculus1 7y ago

She is clearly a plant with handlers, institutional backing, and media favor. Children do not simply fall into the international spotlight, she is being heavily groomed, boosted, and prompted by public relations agents. Climate activism is one of the more noble purposes for using children as mouthpieces, of course, it's not like she's a pawn of some nefarious shadow group, but for some of us it still leaves a bad taste. And being that she is a mouthpiece, it seems like a collective delusion that she's discussed like some kind of key actor.

atoav 7y ago
Please don't forget that her school strike "fridays for future" sparked a whole movement of people her age (across europe) well before she got big in the media, a movement which since then produced many other people stepping in like "scientists for future" etc. If you spark something like that and act like the symbol of the betrayed next generation, media support is the best thing you can wish for. So rather than portraying this as something that is beeing done to her, I'd argue that she is entirely on board with the whole thing and more reflected about it than we give her credit for.
- homonculus1 7y ago
  According to her Wikipedia a group called Fossil Free Dalsland contacted her first and suggested the school strike. Then another group called We Don't Have Time broadcast photographs to a wide online audience. Her strike was literally created by activist and media organizations, she is no more than a child spokesman for a viral marketing campaign. Like I said, it is a collective delusion where you have to buy into every facet, including the messianic self-made image, or you hate little girls and the environment.
  - atoav 7y ago
    She got the attention of Aftonbladdet¹ because she protested on the first day of school after the holidays in front of the Swedish parliament, which is in itself something that any newspaper would have picked up – especially because it was in the midst of an pan-european heatwave which in many places resulted in the highest temperatures of the century. Her own words on this are far more interesting: https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-ive-seen-many-rumors-circulating-about-me-and-enormous-amounts-of-hate-/767646880269801/ https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-... ¹:https://www.aftonbladet.se/svenskahjaltar/a/G1AL4q/greta-15-skolkar--for-klimatets-skull https://www.aftonbladet.se/svenskahjaltar/a/G1AL4q/greta-15-...