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Greta is a child being used for propaganda. This is wrong.

by ctdonath 7y ago

TomMarius 7y ago
Why do you think so? Who and how is using her, for what benefit?
- whydoyoucare 7y ago
  She is parroting ideas that the scientifically-inclined minds fed her. I am not sure if she understands everything she talked about (given her age). Using kids to sell ideas is "being used".
  - rapind 7y ago
    Oh those terrible scientists brainwashing our kids. Something must be done.
    - whydoyoucare 7y ago
      For a start, teach kids to think critically and reject anything that is shoved down their throats as "the truth". Science and religion included. ;-)
  - andrepd 7y ago
    >She is parroting ideas that the scientifically-inclined minds fed her. Is this satire or am I missing something here?
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    > the scientifically-inclined minds fed her Oh come on, this is blatant trolling. Be more subtle or you lose your target trollee audience.
  - TomMarius 7y ago
    Eh, saying the truth is selling ideas? I had a software consulting company when I was 16, I am sure she understands.
    - whydoyoucare 7y ago
      Per my understanding, climate-science is not yet settled, with varying and wide-ranging opinions among scientists. I certainly do not want politicians to take "urgent" actions based on incomplete data and evidence, since any such action is bound to have long-term problematic consqeuences to my wallet. Greta is a smart kid, no denying that. However, I still believe she parrots a lot of information that she may not understand fully and is being used as a lobbying-tool to enact legislation. That, I have a problem with!
      - TomMarius 7y ago
        I can agree that what she says is used by others to promote their campaigns. Not her fault IMHO, though. I think she says reasonable things that are well researched, she doesn't talk about unsure thing; she mostly talks about the factual state of the world and demands answers and doesn't dictate solutions or what kind of action should be taken.
- throwaway744678 7y ago
  Ingmar rentzhog is. See https://uvell.se/2018/12/11/pr-spinnet-bakom-greta-thunberg/ https://uvell.se/2018/12/11/pr-spinnet-bakom-greta-thunberg/
- homonculus1 7y ago
  She is clearly a plant with handlers, institutional backing, and media favor. Children do not simply fall into the international spotlight, she is being heavily groomed, boosted, and prompted by public relations agents. Climate activism is one of the more noble purposes for using children as mouthpieces, of course, it's not like she's a pawn of some nefarious shadow group, but for some of us it still leaves a bad taste. And being that she is a mouthpiece, it seems like a collective delusion that she's discussed like some kind of key actor.
  - atoav 7y ago
    Please don't forget that her school strike "fridays for future" sparked a whole movement of people her age (across europe) well before she got big in the media, a movement which since then produced many other people stepping in like "scientists for future" etc. If you spark something like that and act like the symbol of the betrayed next generation, media support is the best thing you can wish for. So rather than portraying this as something that is beeing done to her, I'd argue that she is entirely on board with the whole thing and more reflected about it than we give her credit for.
    - homonculus1 7y ago
      According to her Wikipedia a group called Fossil Free Dalsland contacted her first and suggested the school strike. Then another group called We Don't Have Time broadcast photographs to a wide online audience. Her strike was literally created by activist and media organizations, she is no more than a child spokesman for a viral marketing campaign. Like I said, it is a collective delusion where you have to buy into every facet, including the messianic self-made image, or you hate little girls and the environment.
      - atoav 7y ago
        She got the attention of Aftonbladdet¹ because she protested on the first day of school after the holidays in front of the Swedish parliament, which is in itself something that any newspaper would have picked up – especially because it was in the midst of an pan-european heatwave which in many places resulted in the highest temperatures of the century. Her own words on this are far more interesting: https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-ive-seen-many-rumors-circulating-about-me-and-enormous-amounts-of-hate-/767646880269801/ https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-... ¹:https://www.aftonbladet.se/svenskahjaltar/a/G1AL4q/greta-15-skolkar--for-klimatets-skull https://www.aftonbladet.se/svenskahjaltar/a/G1AL4q/greta-15-...
Torok 7y ago
She's a 16 year old who's chosen to make this her life cause I'd hardly say she's being used
- lazyguy2 7y ago
  It's a safe assumption nowadays. People using children for propaganda is extremely common. If she was a 45 year old accountant trying to take a stand on climate change I don't think she would be trotted out like this.
  - vvanders 7y ago
    A 45 year old accountant may not have to face the same impact of climate change as someone who's ~30 years younger. I'm not shocked that someone from a younger generation is worried about the long term impacts of climate change and how it may change their future.
  - atoav 7y ago
    > If she was a 45 year old accountant trying to take a stand on climate change I don't think she would be trotted out like this. Because she inspired many other kids her age to start speaking up and do something. I can clearly remember when I was 16 and started to realize how bad the grown ups were actually at implementing all these things they thought me I should value. Starts with democracy and goes to environmentalism. On a symbolic level she represents the generations who will get the blunt of it. The generations that will have to battle all of that mess the generations before them created. I don't really see, why her decision to use that publicity should be any kind of valid critizism really, unless it is meant to be an ad hominem attack to avoid talking about the topic.
  - andrepd 7y ago
    No, it's particularly striking that a high-school age girl has taken the initiative to start such large protests and raise awareness about the issue and about the fact that something needs to be done yesterday. More generally, we find young people protesting and taking action against irresponsible, greedy, amoral "45-year olds" (as you put it) that yield the power and use it to enrich themselves at the cost of a trashed planet for the next generation. I think it's pretty obvious what the message here is: the (older) politicians and business men are incompetent or corrupt, the powerless youngsters are showing themselves to be infinitely more responsible. It's a striking image.
atoav 7y ago
So the child that out of her own will started to strike for climate awareness is beeing used? I didn’t follow every nook and crany of her story, but I didn’t see her promoting anything that a rational objective observer should also conclude. What I did see, were a big amount of butthurt middle aged men who couldn’t handle what a girl telling them the truth does to their own self image. And instead of using this as a chance to groe as a person they start to rationalize their behaviour in ways which are uncompatible with the reality.
- marpstar 7y ago
  > out of her own will citation needed. the fact that this girl has been launched into stardom practically overnight is a sign that she's not "in charge".
  - seppin 7y ago
    > the fact that this girl has been launched into stardom practically overnight is a sign that she's not "in charge" Why?
    - bt848 7y ago
      It's obvious that Soros controls her mind via implants and satellite links.
  - atoav 7y ago
    I remember there beeing school strikes in Germany inspired by her well before she was a topic in the national media landscape. The Germans school kids who followed her example saw it on social media mostly. Only once it was clear that that school striking swedish girl inspired a whole lot of others throughout Europe, the (German) media picked up. I remember thinking that is was a tiny bit late. This wouldn't be extraordinary. Your claim however is. And you know the drill: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Especially when you use that claim in an ad hominem attack to silence someones arguments.
- Romanulus 7y ago
tempguy9999 7y ago
It would be wrong if it was true.

Greta is a child being used for propaganda. This is wrong.

TomMarius 7y ago

Why do you think so? Who and how is using her, for what benefit?

whydoyoucare 7y ago
She is parroting ideas that the scientifically-inclined minds fed her. I am not sure if she understands everything she talked about (given her age). Using kids to sell ideas is "being used".
- rapind 7y ago
  Oh those terrible scientists brainwashing our kids. Something must be done.
  - whydoyoucare 7y ago
    For a start, teach kids to think critically and reject anything that is shoved down their throats as "the truth". Science and religion included. ;-)
- andrepd 7y ago
  >She is parroting ideas that the scientifically-inclined minds fed her. Is this satire or am I missing something here?
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  > the scientifically-inclined minds fed her Oh come on, this is blatant trolling. Be more subtle or you lose your target trollee audience.
- TomMarius 7y ago
  Eh, saying the truth is selling ideas? I had a software consulting company when I was 16, I am sure she understands.
  - whydoyoucare 7y ago
    Per my understanding, climate-science is not yet settled, with varying and wide-ranging opinions among scientists. I certainly do not want politicians to take "urgent" actions based on incomplete data and evidence, since any such action is bound to have long-term problematic consqeuences to my wallet. Greta is a smart kid, no denying that. However, I still believe she parrots a lot of information that she may not understand fully and is being used as a lobbying-tool to enact legislation. That, I have a problem with!
    - TomMarius 7y ago
      I can agree that what she says is used by others to promote their campaigns. Not her fault IMHO, though. I think she says reasonable things that are well researched, she doesn't talk about unsure thing; she mostly talks about the factual state of the world and demands answers and doesn't dictate solutions or what kind of action should be taken.
throwaway744678 7y ago
Ingmar rentzhog is. See https://uvell.se/2018/12/11/pr-spinnet-bakom-greta-thunberg/ https://uvell.se/2018/12/11/pr-spinnet-bakom-greta-thunberg/
homonculus1 7y ago
She is clearly a plant with handlers, institutional backing, and media favor. Children do not simply fall into the international spotlight, she is being heavily groomed, boosted, and prompted by public relations agents. Climate activism is one of the more noble purposes for using children as mouthpieces, of course, it's not like she's a pawn of some nefarious shadow group, but for some of us it still leaves a bad taste. And being that she is a mouthpiece, it seems like a collective delusion that she's discussed like some kind of key actor.
- atoav 7y ago
  Please don't forget that her school strike "fridays for future" sparked a whole movement of people her age (across europe) well before she got big in the media, a movement which since then produced many other people stepping in like "scientists for future" etc. If you spark something like that and act like the symbol of the betrayed next generation, media support is the best thing you can wish for. So rather than portraying this as something that is beeing done to her, I'd argue that she is entirely on board with the whole thing and more reflected about it than we give her credit for.
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    According to her Wikipedia a group called Fossil Free Dalsland contacted her first and suggested the school strike. Then another group called We Don't Have Time broadcast photographs to a wide online audience. Her strike was literally created by activist and media organizations, she is no more than a child spokesman for a viral marketing campaign. Like I said, it is a collective delusion where you have to buy into every facet, including the messianic self-made image, or you hate little girls and the environment.
    - atoav 7y ago
      She got the attention of Aftonbladdet¹ because she protested on the first day of school after the holidays in front of the Swedish parliament, which is in itself something that any newspaper would have picked up – especially because it was in the midst of an pan-european heatwave which in many places resulted in the highest temperatures of the century. Her own words on this are far more interesting: https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-ive-seen-many-rumors-circulating-about-me-and-enormous-amounts-of-hate-/767646880269801/ https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-... ¹:https://www.aftonbladet.se/svenskahjaltar/a/G1AL4q/greta-15-skolkar--for-klimatets-skull https://www.aftonbladet.se/svenskahjaltar/a/G1AL4q/greta-15-...

Torok 7y ago

She's a 16 year old who's chosen to make this her life cause I'd hardly say she's being used

lazyguy2 7y ago
It's a safe assumption nowadays. People using children for propaganda is extremely common. If she was a 45 year old accountant trying to take a stand on climate change I don't think she would be trotted out like this.
- vvanders 7y ago
  A 45 year old accountant may not have to face the same impact of climate change as someone who's ~30 years younger. I'm not shocked that someone from a younger generation is worried about the long term impacts of climate change and how it may change their future.
- atoav 7y ago
  > If she was a 45 year old accountant trying to take a stand on climate change I don't think she would be trotted out like this. Because she inspired many other kids her age to start speaking up and do something. I can clearly remember when I was 16 and started to realize how bad the grown ups were actually at implementing all these things they thought me I should value. Starts with democracy and goes to environmentalism. On a symbolic level she represents the generations who will get the blunt of it. The generations that will have to battle all of that mess the generations before them created. I don't really see, why her decision to use that publicity should be any kind of valid critizism really, unless it is meant to be an ad hominem attack to avoid talking about the topic.
- andrepd 7y ago
  No, it's particularly striking that a high-school age girl has taken the initiative to start such large protests and raise awareness about the issue and about the fact that something needs to be done yesterday. More generally, we find young people protesting and taking action against irresponsible, greedy, amoral "45-year olds" (as you put it) that yield the power and use it to enrich themselves at the cost of a trashed planet for the next generation. I think it's pretty obvious what the message here is: the (older) politicians and business men are incompetent or corrupt, the powerless youngsters are showing themselves to be infinitely more responsible. It's a striking image.

atoav 7y ago

So the child that out of her own will started to strike for climate awareness is beeing used? I didn’t follow every nook and crany of her story, but I didn’t see her promoting anything that a rational objective observer should also conclude. What I did see, were a big amount of butthurt middle aged men who couldn’t handle what a girl telling them the truth does to their own self image. And instead of using this as a chance to groe as a person they start to rationalize their behaviour in ways which are uncompatible with the reality.

marpstar 7y ago
> out of her own will citation needed. the fact that this girl has been launched into stardom practically overnight is a sign that she's not "in charge".
- seppin 7y ago
  > the fact that this girl has been launched into stardom practically overnight is a sign that she's not "in charge" Why?
  - bt848 7y ago
    It's obvious that Soros controls her mind via implants and satellite links.
- atoav 7y ago
  I remember there beeing school strikes in Germany inspired by her well before she was a topic in the national media landscape. The Germans school kids who followed her example saw it on social media mostly. Only once it was clear that that school striking swedish girl inspired a whole lot of others throughout Europe, the (German) media picked up. I remember thinking that is was a tiny bit late. This wouldn't be extraordinary. Your claim however is. And you know the drill: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Especially when you use that claim in an ad hominem attack to silence someones arguments.
Romanulus 7y ago

tempguy9999 7y ago

It would be wrong if it was true.