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It‘s funny whole parts of the establishment have spent so much time fighting against „mansplaining“, white men as authority figures, for cultural relativism, an
by orbifold 7y ago
It‘s funny whole parts of the establishment have spent so much time fighting against „mansplaining“, white men as authority figures, for cultural relativism, and critical post-something, that they must be really relieved to finally have found someone championing a cause that actual experts (not al gore) have talked about a long time.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoDo we really need to diminish her message into identity politics? When I see she's doing that I think "I'm glad she's doing that, though I don't think it's going to convince those not otherwise convinced", not "Thank goodness, with her I finally have a leftist bingo".
- orbifold 7y agoI don’t care either way. I just hate that everything boils down to elaborate story telling. She had to travel by boat to the UN. All of this is highly theatrical. The facts have been known for a long time, just talking about it won’t change anything. Whatever she has to say is not new, interesting or particularly intelligent. It can’t be. She has to rely on experts and then packages their statements in digestible, made for TV, Twitter and Instagram form.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoThat's true, but doesn't the saying "Be excellent to each other!" have more impact when Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure is wrapped around it?
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- andrepd 7y agoI honestly don't understand the point of this reasoning, and I'm forced to conclude (because it transpires in every word you say) that you are somehow massively jealous of the attention that is being given to her. So what? I don't get it, is she supposed to produce original research else she can't speak at all?? Well no shit she is not saying anything not already published in peer-reviewed papers. She is selling it to an audience that did not care but may begin to care because of all the publicity, and crucially, to an audience that needs to be on this side for any meaningful change to get done. Not new? Not particularly intelligent? But what, is she speaking at a climatology symposium? No, she is speaking to a general audience, she is speaking to be heard in the news and by word-of-mouth. Really, what do you actually want of her?
- orbifold 7y agoI wouldn't say I'm jealous, just highly annoyed to whom the public is paying attention to. It's the same environmental activism theatrics that Greenpeace and WWF have been doing for all of their existence. As a counterpoint take John Baez for example: He decided started beginning in 2010 to try to organise engineers, physicists and mathematicians around the global ecological crisis https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2010/08/27/this-weeks-finds-week-301/ https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2010/08/27/this-weeks-f.... Was he interviewed or reported on by CNN? Of course not. How often has David MacKay (https://withouthotair.com https://withouthotair.com) been given the chance to speak to the public?
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago> travel by boat to the UN. All of this is highly theatrical The hate would have been full of claims of hypocrisy had she hopped on a Boeing or a trans-Atlantic liner (if there are still liner services). She says she probably won't be able to go, the someone offers a place on a racing yacht. If she'd stayed at home the message would no doubt be trying to spin up her not feeling the UN important enough... Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
- playpause 7y agoStorytelling and theatrics are central to human progress and always have been. If the level of international collaboration needed to solve the climate crisis can be achieved, then it will be achieved in part by changing hearts and minds on an unprecedented scale, including through stories of iconic events and individuals, consumed by billions of people through social media. There is no point being cynical about this.
- throwaway744678 7y agoWe do not; but why would her opinion matter. Or more exactly why would it matter more than that of some random guy commenting on the Internet?
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoTotally fair, if the list of opinions rejected includes 97 percent of actively publishing climate scientists, you're already rejecting the authority of those who have the ability, education, and training to speak to the problem, so a random girl nor internet user won't change one's mind.
- throwaway744678 7y agoIndeed; and if you're not rejecting these scientists, she won't change your mind either. So, why should anyone listen to her?
- andrepd 7y agoShe is high-profile and high-visibility now, and not because of arbitrary chance. Because, if you recall, she started the climate strike movement.
- throwaway744678 7y agoYeah, yeah. She stopped going to school. Strike? Do words still mean anything?
- erikpukinskis 7y agoPlease don’t argue with imaginary people about issues you imagine they care about. It’s really a waste of all our time, and it’s the easiest argument to win since you control both sides. There are plenty of actual people with present concerns you can talk to.
- maerF0x0 7y ago> finally have found someone championing a cause that actual experts (not al gore) have talked about a long time Though i dont agree with the Identity politics direction, This comment has some great insight. Look at who we listen to nowadays. People on IG and YT have more reach, more aggregate persuasive "voice" than experts do today. We listen to entrepreneurs, politicians, to actors and football players, but not the experts who have spent >10 years (often 20-40 yrs) intensely dedicated to mastering certain immensely difficult fields. So the next time a little girl stands up on a podium, give it a listen and then ask yourself why she got your attention and the pleading of 1000s of diverse scientists couldnt...
- throwaway744678 7y agoExcept she did not get our attention. She got that of the media (in a wide sense, including social media, etc.), that found it more newsworthy, hence pushed it onto the general public.