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Is Julian even himself, any more? Last I heard, he'd been heavily sedated during an interview, and folks who knew him didn't think he'd survived it. https://w

Is Julian even himself, any more? Last I heard, he'd been heavily sedated during an interview, and folks who knew him didn't think he'd survived it. https://www.globalresearch.ca/julian-assange-tortured-psychotropic-drug/5676921 https://www.globalresearch.ca/julian-assange-tortured-psycho... Just wondering. My personal opinion: Julian Assange is a hero who deserves all the accolades available, including the Nobel Peace Prize. But, I am aware that he has his haters here on HN: What say you about his torture? Justified?

whamlastxmas 7y ago
They probably don't believe it's actually happened
IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago
Being in jail isn't torture. If he has psychological issues, there should be treatment available. And the cause is far more likely years in self-imposed embassy-confinement than weeks in jail. If Assange hadn't been an egomaniac and conspiracy-theorist, he would have put the Swedish indictment far behind by now. Also: your "source" is embarrassing.
- fit2rule 7y ago
  Being forcefully given psychotropic drugs during an interview, is torture. https://www.globalresearch.ca/julian-assange-tortured-psychotropic-drug/5676921 https://www.globalresearch.ca/julian-assange-tortured-psycho... > egomaniac and conspiracy-theorist Oh, okay then. I see that you've already made your mind up.
- Synaesthesia 7y ago
  Solitary confinement is torture.
- m-p-3 7y ago
  that source is from Michel Chossudovsky (born 1946) is a Canadian economist, author and conspiracy theorist. Not looking great for credibility. The Centre for Research on Globalization promotes a variety of conspiracy theories and falsehoods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky
DanBC 7y ago
> Last I heard, he'd been heavily sedated during an interview, Do you have a link to a source? I know a lot about use of restraint and rapid tranquillisation on people with mental illness and this sounds like an unlikely situation. EDIT: after having read your source and I can say it's fucking bullshit. EDIT2: In the spirit of teaching people stuff. All episodes of restraint of mental health patients in England is supposed to be recorded. This should include all types of restraint where a staff member puts a hand on the patient. This range stretches from prone restraint and rapid tranquillisation all the way to "guiding hand" ("hey Bob, I can see your annoyed. Come and have a cup of tea and tell me what's going on" with a hand on the shoulder is probably an incident of recordable restraint). We want to end all episodes of restraint. We especially want to end all episodes of prone restraint because it's traumatic, degrading, and dangerous. We want to avoid all other forms of restraint because preventative working to avoid the situation happening is better for that patient, for other patients, and for staff. If you want to see what we're doing to try to end restraint the "Reducing Restrictive Practice" programme might be interesting (although it's heavily aimed at staff and patients in MH settings in England) https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/improving-care/nccmh/reducing-restrictive-practice https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/improving-care/nccmh/reducing-rest... Restraint is used in in-patient mental health settings, and in in-patient learning disability and intellectual disability settings. Mental health settings can include prisons and also "forensic" (secure) hospitals. (Secure is a bit of jargon with specific meaning in the context of MH care). So, if you want to claim a prisoner is being restrained and drugged it would be easy to make this credible. Use words like "supine restraint" and "rapid tranquillisation". Get the names of the meds right. Say that you've put in FoI requests but were denied access to someone's medical information. But also put in an FoI request to see total numbers of restraint and rapid tranq being used in that setting. There's probably a name for this thing where a conspiracy theory is such obvious bollocks that the only people who believe it are other conspiracy theorists. I guess it's a bit like some email scams are deliberately full of typos in order to select a particular audience.
- fit2rule 7y ago
  Your use of the catch-all phrase "Conspiracy Theorists" explains your point of view quite succinctly. It is clear that you will not entertain any deviation from "accepted mainstream narrative". Thanks for engaging, but your point of view is of no further interest to me personally.
turk73 7y ago
Julian is a hero in a world where intelligence agencies run roughshod over democracy and where standing up for anything outside of the oligarchs' plans will end up with you dead or as you see Assange, fully boxed in now and no longer a threat. This is how Stalin treated his detractors, it is how Putin does it, and Xi, and how Castro, Chavez, and every single other collectivist POS has ever done it. Clearly the West has adopted those same strategies, too. It's dark, very dark. But it is not okay, not even remotely okay.

whamlastxmas 7y ago

They probably don't believe it's actually happened

IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago

Being in jail isn't torture. If he has psychological issues, there should be treatment available. And the cause is far more likely years in self-imposed embassy-confinement than weeks in jail. If Assange hadn't been an egomaniac and conspiracy-theorist, he would have put the Swedish indictment far behind by now. Also: your "source" is embarrassing.

fit2rule 7y ago
Being forcefully given psychotropic drugs during an interview, is torture. https://www.globalresearch.ca/julian-assange-tortured-psychotropic-drug/5676921 https://www.globalresearch.ca/julian-assange-tortured-psycho... > egomaniac and conspiracy-theorist Oh, okay then. I see that you've already made your mind up.
Synaesthesia 7y ago
Solitary confinement is torture.
m-p-3 7y ago
that source is from Michel Chossudovsky (born 1946) is a Canadian economist, author and conspiracy theorist. Not looking great for credibility. The Centre for Research on Globalization promotes a variety of conspiracy theories and falsehoods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

DanBC 7y ago

> Last I heard, he'd been heavily sedated during an interview, Do you have a link to a source? I know a lot about use of restraint and rapid tranquillisation on people with mental illness and this sounds like an unlikely situation. EDIT: after having read your source and I can say it's fucking bullshit. EDIT2: In the spirit of teaching people stuff. All episodes of restraint of mental health patients in England is supposed to be recorded. This should include all types of restraint where a staff member puts a hand on the patient. This range stretches from prone restraint and rapid tranquillisation all the way to "guiding hand" ("hey Bob, I can see your annoyed. Come and have a cup of tea and tell me what's going on" with a hand on the shoulder is probably an incident of recordable restraint). We want to end all episodes of restraint. We especially want to end all episodes of prone restraint because it's traumatic, degrading, and dangerous. We want to avoid all other forms of restraint because preventative working to avoid the situation happening is better for that patient, for other patients, and for staff. If you want to see what we're doing to try to end restraint the "Reducing Restrictive Practice" programme might be interesting (although it's heavily aimed at staff and patients in MH settings in England) https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/improving-care/nccmh/reducing-restrictive-practice https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/improving-care/nccmh/reducing-rest... Restraint is used in in-patient mental health settings, and in in-patient learning disability and intellectual disability settings. Mental health settings can include prisons and also "forensic" (secure) hospitals. (Secure is a bit of jargon with specific meaning in the context of MH care). So, if you want to claim a prisoner is being restrained and drugged it would be easy to make this credible. Use words like "supine restraint" and "rapid tranquillisation". Get the names of the meds right. Say that you've put in FoI requests but were denied access to someone's medical information. But also put in an FoI request to see total numbers of restraint and rapid tranq being used in that setting. There's probably a name for this thing where a conspiracy theory is such obvious bollocks that the only people who believe it are other conspiracy theorists. I guess it's a bit like some email scams are deliberately full of typos in order to select a particular audience.

fit2rule 7y ago
Your use of the catch-all phrase "Conspiracy Theorists" explains your point of view quite succinctly. It is clear that you will not entertain any deviation from "accepted mainstream narrative". Thanks for engaging, but your point of view is of no further interest to me personally.

turk73 7y ago

Julian is a hero in a world where intelligence agencies run roughshod over democracy and where standing up for anything outside of the oligarchs' plans will end up with you dead or as you see Assange, fully boxed in now and no longer a threat. This is how Stalin treated his detractors, it is how Putin does it, and Xi, and how Castro, Chavez, and every single other collectivist POS has ever done it. Clearly the West has adopted those same strategies, too. It's dark, very dark. But it is not okay, not even remotely okay.