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Nope. My conscience is clean. I don't work for a company with a spy/sell data business model.

pizzazzaro 7y ago
We might have to expand our perspective a little more than just "I dont spy/sell-data at work, so Im cool." Does your company have other subsidiaries that do this work? Does your employer contract out for/to-do this erosion of freedom and human dignity? If not, that's awesome. But lets be honest here - if your company is declaring neutrality while the world drowns in bull...spit, they're not helping. If you all sell routers, you're probably selling routers to the abusers, as one example. In this, your router code (hypothetical of course) would assist that doubleclick datafarm. Unless you're at a firm that is actively making privacy-by-default routers, webbrowsers, hosting services, what-have-you? You're still feeding the madness on a less direct, more systemic manner. Since I doubt your company's leadership would pass up facebook money? Nobody at all can seriously claim neutrality.
winkeyless 7y ago
We might as well imagine a company you work for that is trustworthy and does none of the spy/sell data business. And also imagine that the product of the company has been rapidly replacing a million jobs in 5 years and creating merely 200 different jobs in San Francisco demanding higher level of education. A bit extreme but I don’t think it’s unimaginable. Would you feel the same if I may ask?
- mortivore 7y ago
  If I were in such a job I would be very happy about it. I view work as a means to an end. Work to live, don't live to work. A society without jobs would be wonderful. If something I was working on would eliminate the jobs of millions, then we would be closer to having no jobs at all. In such a position I would feel like I was really contributing to a greater future.
  - zhaomizhi 7y ago
    It is true that lots of job in market do not treat people as human. Lots of them are just repeatable labor work and require very minimal level of creativity or innovation. In this sense, i agreed that eliminating these jobs would be a huge step for the whole society. However, I don't think the government and these giant capitalist tech company is ready or have a plan about how to distribute resource and money they earned. Also, i am not sure how you define the work here. Instead of eliminate work, i would think working for what you truly believe can give you satisfaction since you are being rewarded for what you do and make.

We might have to expand our perspective a little more than just "I dont spy/sell-data at work, so Im cool." Does your company have other subsidiaries that do this work? Does your employer contract out for/to-do this erosion of freedom and human dignity? If not, that's awesome. But lets be honest here - if your company is declaring neutrality while the world drowns in bull...spit, they're not helping. If you all sell routers, you're probably selling routers to the abusers, as one example. In this, your router code (hypothetical of course) would assist that doubleclick datafarm. Unless you're at a firm that is actively making privacy-by-default routers, webbrowsers, hosting services, what-have-you? You're still feeding the madness on a less direct, more systemic manner. Since I doubt your company's leadership would pass up facebook money? Nobody at all can seriously claim neutrality.

winkeyless 7y ago

We might as well imagine a company you work for that is trustworthy and does none of the spy/sell data business. And also imagine that the product of the company has been rapidly replacing a million jobs in 5 years and creating merely 200 different jobs in San Francisco demanding higher level of education. A bit extreme but I don’t think it’s unimaginable. Would you feel the same if I may ask?

mortivore 7y ago
If I were in such a job I would be very happy about it. I view work as a means to an end. Work to live, don't live to work. A society without jobs would be wonderful. If something I was working on would eliminate the jobs of millions, then we would be closer to having no jobs at all. In such a position I would feel like I was really contributing to a greater future.
- zhaomizhi 7y ago
  It is true that lots of job in market do not treat people as human. Lots of them are just repeatable labor work and require very minimal level of creativity or innovation. In this sense, i agreed that eliminating these jobs would be a huge step for the whole society. However, I don't think the government and these giant capitalist tech company is ready or have a plan about how to distribute resource and money they earned. Also, i am not sure how you define the work here. Instead of eliminate work, i would think working for what you truly believe can give you satisfaction since you are being rewarded for what you do and make.