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Too bad you're downvoted. I agree. For example, Apple barely needs to advertise, as (until recently at least) its products are a quality class above everyone el

by tomp 7y ago

Too bad you're downvoted. I agree. For example, Apple barely needs to advertise, as (until recently at least) its products are a quality class above everyone else, so basically, every non-Apple laptop is an Apple advertisement. I haven't used Basecamp so I'm not so sure about them, but ... maybe they're just not that good?

navigatesol 7y ago
>Apple barely needs to advertise Apple has a $2B marketing budget and has advertising everywhere, all the time.
- ncmncm 7y ago
  Indeed, absent advertising, how would the previous poster, like so many others, have come to believe the fiction that Apple products have better quality than their competitors'? What they do have is higher prices. They could, in principle, deliver better quality, but Apple's record-breaking pile of cash demonstrates clearly that they are not spending it to give customers better quality, but rather pocketing it. So, what are customers getting for their extra money, instead? They are displaying an ability to spend wastefully, a social dominance signal. They feel like they benefit, and Apple actually does benefit. Everyone who thinks they attracted a more desirable mate via such a display has, instead, attracted a mate who was fooled by such a display. What is the correlation between quality and foolishness? It must surely be negative.
chimi 7y ago
Apple's value is it's advertising and brand. It's products are objectively not higher quality. People just say that because they have been told that by other people. High quality products last a long time. Apple's products are engineered to not last a long time. There's absolutely no reason I should be forced to buy a new macbook pro to run xcode. Either xcode is a low quality product, the macbook is a low quality product -- or both, which is the case. There are vastly superior products to both the macbook pro and xcode.
- tomp 7y ago
  I've a 2013 MacBook Pro and am in a market for a new laptop. Please suggest a higher quality product. Even just matching this product, is a challenge - keyboard, trackpad, retina display, battery life, operating system (Windows is spyware, Linux hardly works on laptops). Not to mention that e.g. Apple's ecosystem (iCloud, iPhone, MacBooks, ...) are way better integrated than anything else. Privacy advantages (iPhone is literally the only sensible option for a privacy-oriented consumer). I could go on. Look. I wish any other company would step up and make anything even remotely similar. But they just keep dropping the ball. Closest are probably XPS laptops, but (1) they run inferior OSs, (2) the hardware is probably subtly inferior (e.g. trackpad, battery life, heating & ventilation, plastic chassis (LOL), weight, ...), so for the price I might just buy Apple again (or stay with my old laptop, which, contrary to your comment, still works very well - though admittedly I don't have to use XCode).
  - neutronicus 7y ago
    The keyboard on my wife's MacBook Pro is already malfunctioning pretty egregiously after like a year of ownership so even the latest Apple stuff is not a great 2013 MacBook replacement.
    - tomp 7y ago
      Yeah, I agree, but to catch up to 2013 Apple, 2019 Apple only has to fix the keyboard and a few other hardware updates, whereas other manufacturers have a whole new OS to write :)
  - chimi 7y ago
    I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad with a Xeon processor, which you can't get in a MacBook Pro, which I also have 2 of, and from personal experience having owned and/or extensively used Dell Latitudes and Inspirons, a Toshiba Qosmio, and Surface laptops, my opinion is that the Lenovo is the best laptop available.
  - traverseda 7y ago
    Well I mean that's not really a real question, is it? You've specifically phrased it so that only a macbook would be acceptable. But if you're at all serious, the Xiomi probook is pretty good. It doesn't have a retina display but non-retina displays work better with linux so I actually prefer that for a linux laptop. It also has an nvidia-optimus gpu setup, which is a big improvement. Everything works out of the box on linux. Of course if you're married to mac OS you're married to mac OS.
kazinator 7y ago
> Every non-Apple laptop is an Apple advertisement. Really? Does this work for cars? Is every Hyundai Elantra on the road a BMW advertisement? How about watches? Every Timex or Casio is a Rolex advertisement?

by tomp 7y ago

navigatesol 7y ago

>Apple barely needs to advertise Apple has a $2B marketing budget and has advertising everywhere, all the time.

ncmncm 7y ago
Indeed, absent advertising, how would the previous poster, like so many others, have come to believe the fiction that Apple products have better quality than their competitors'? What they do have is higher prices. They could, in principle, deliver better quality, but Apple's record-breaking pile of cash demonstrates clearly that they are not spending it to give customers better quality, but rather pocketing it. So, what are customers getting for their extra money, instead? They are displaying an ability to spend wastefully, a social dominance signal. They feel like they benefit, and Apple actually does benefit. Everyone who thinks they attracted a more desirable mate via such a display has, instead, attracted a mate who was fooled by such a display. What is the correlation between quality and foolishness? It must surely be negative.

chimi 7y ago

Apple's value is it's advertising and brand. It's products are objectively not higher quality. People just say that because they have been told that by other people. High quality products last a long time. Apple's products are engineered to not last a long time. There's absolutely no reason I should be forced to buy a new macbook pro to run xcode. Either xcode is a low quality product, the macbook is a low quality product -- or both, which is the case. There are vastly superior products to both the macbook pro and xcode.

tomp 7y ago
I've a 2013 MacBook Pro and am in a market for a new laptop. Please suggest a higher quality product. Even just matching this product, is a challenge - keyboard, trackpad, retina display, battery life, operating system (Windows is spyware, Linux hardly works on laptops). Not to mention that e.g. Apple's ecosystem (iCloud, iPhone, MacBooks, ...) are way better integrated than anything else. Privacy advantages (iPhone is literally the only sensible option for a privacy-oriented consumer). I could go on. Look. I wish any other company would step up and make anything even remotely similar. But they just keep dropping the ball. Closest are probably XPS laptops, but (1) they run inferior OSs, (2) the hardware is probably subtly inferior (e.g. trackpad, battery life, heating & ventilation, plastic chassis (LOL), weight, ...), so for the price I might just buy Apple again (or stay with my old laptop, which, contrary to your comment, still works very well - though admittedly I don't have to use XCode).
- neutronicus 7y ago
  The keyboard on my wife's MacBook Pro is already malfunctioning pretty egregiously after like a year of ownership so even the latest Apple stuff is not a great 2013 MacBook replacement.
  - tomp 7y ago
    Yeah, I agree, but to catch up to 2013 Apple, 2019 Apple only has to fix the keyboard and a few other hardware updates, whereas other manufacturers have a whole new OS to write :)
- chimi 7y ago
  I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad with a Xeon processor, which you can't get in a MacBook Pro, which I also have 2 of, and from personal experience having owned and/or extensively used Dell Latitudes and Inspirons, a Toshiba Qosmio, and Surface laptops, my opinion is that the Lenovo is the best laptop available.
- traverseda 7y ago
  Well I mean that's not really a real question, is it? You've specifically phrased it so that only a macbook would be acceptable. But if you're at all serious, the Xiomi probook is pretty good. It doesn't have a retina display but non-retina displays work better with linux so I actually prefer that for a linux laptop. It also has an nvidia-optimus gpu setup, which is a big improvement. Everything works out of the box on linux. Of course if you're married to mac OS you're married to mac OS.

kazinator 7y ago

> Every non-Apple laptop is an Apple advertisement. Really? Does this work for cars? Is every Hyundai Elantra on the road a BMW advertisement? How about watches? Every Timex or Casio is a Rolex advertisement?