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The point is that companies like Accenture or Dell Services by their nature can't outsource their money makers. A comparison between Apple and Accenture on this

by jarek 16y ago

The point is that companies like Accenture or Dell Services by their nature can't outsource their money makers. A comparison between Apple and Accenture on this subject, especially using revenue as opposed to profit, is just not valid.

wccrawford 16y ago
Dell makes its own motherboards and hard drives? No, it buys all the hardware from suppliers. Accenture is a little tougher. They ARE the outsourcing, which proves my point about the outsourced company having to make a profit as well. But they still provide solutions for their customers, which will include physical hardware, which they don't even put together... They just order it. No company stands alone. They all work to minimize cost and employee count, and maximize profit. Saying some numbers are inflated because they do this doesn't make sense. They ALL do it.
- jarek 16y ago
  The linked post mentioned "Dell Services". I am assuming this is a, uh, service company, not a commodity hardware design and sales company. The vast majority of value, or at least the perceived value, provided by Accenture to its clients comes directly from Accenture employees by the very nature of the consulting business. They might sell you physical hardware, but the real reason you're hiring them is the expertise in knowing how to use it for your specific project, otherwise you'd just get it directly from Dell yourself. They don't, or at least aren't supposed to, design a product once and then sell it to millions of customers. On the other hand, once an iPod is designed (to be fair, that isn't trivial), it's handed off to a third party who no longer figures in the employee count and basically used to print money. Maximizing profit per employee is reasonable, though cross-industry comparisons can still be problematic. It's revenue per employee that's a little meaningless as mentioned by _delirium. edit: this post follows the value proposition of Accenture services as stated by Accenture itself. Let's not go into how accurate that is right now.

by jarek 16y ago

wccrawford 16y ago

Dell makes its own motherboards and hard drives? No, it buys all the hardware from suppliers. Accenture is a little tougher. They ARE the outsourcing, which proves my point about the outsourced company having to make a profit as well. But they still provide solutions for their customers, which will include physical hardware, which they don't even put together... They just order it. No company stands alone. They all work to minimize cost and employee count, and maximize profit. Saying some numbers are inflated because they do this doesn't make sense. They ALL do it.

jarek 16y ago
The linked post mentioned "Dell Services". I am assuming this is a, uh, service company, not a commodity hardware design and sales company. The vast majority of value, or at least the perceived value, provided by Accenture to its clients comes directly from Accenture employees by the very nature of the consulting business. They might sell you physical hardware, but the real reason you're hiring them is the expertise in knowing how to use it for your specific project, otherwise you'd just get it directly from Dell yourself. They don't, or at least aren't supposed to, design a product once and then sell it to millions of customers. On the other hand, once an iPod is designed (to be fair, that isn't trivial), it's handed off to a third party who no longer figures in the employee count and basically used to print money. Maximizing profit per employee is reasonable, though cross-industry comparisons can still be problematic. It's revenue per employee that's a little meaningless as mentioned by _delirium. edit: this post follows the value proposition of Accenture services as stated by Accenture itself. Let's not go into how accurate that is right now.