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No it’s not, the most basic responsibility of national defense is stopping invading armies. Or maybe it’s dealing with the other nuclear powers. Stopping peop

No it’s not, the most basic responsibility of national defense is stopping invading armies. Or maybe it’s dealing with the other nuclear powers. Stopping people coming over the border to be residents is probably not in the top 10 of national defense priorities. Honestly, as a matter of policy I don’t think it’s even something we are trying to do since immigration is so good for GDP, and nothing else really matters as much as growing GDP.

CapricornNoble 7y ago
>>>No it’s not, the most basic responsibility of national defense is stopping invading armies. And where do you intend to stop the invading armies, if not....at your border? >>>Stopping people coming over the border to be residents is probably not in the top 10 of national defense priorities. Well, let's take a look at the 2018 National Defense Strategy: https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2018-National-Defense-Strategy-Summary.pdf https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2018-Nation... Page 4, Defense Objectives, first line: -Defending the homeland from attack That's vague enough to cover infiltration of terrorist organizations across the border.
- erikpukinskis 7y ago
  You would stop invading armies everywhere, at the border, inside the border, in their homeland and the lands of their allies, in the borders of your own allies, anywhere. Do you imagine border patrol plays a key strategic role in war? What would be an example of that from history?
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    >>>You would stop invading armies everywhere, at the border, inside the border, in their homeland and the lands of their allies, in the borders of your own allies, anywhere. "Defend everywhere" makes for a very poor Commander's Intent or Mission Statement. If you are defending "inside the border"...you've already failed at stopping your adversary AT the border. It also violates almost half of the Principles of War (mass, objective, economy of force, simplicity). Reference Appendix B of [6]. >>>Do you imagine border patrol plays a key strategic role in war? What would be an example of that from history? From[1]: "Pakistani patrols began patrolling in territory controlled by India in January 1965, which was followed by attacks by both countries on each other's posts on 8 April 1965.[44][45] Initially involving border police from both nations, the disputed area soon witnessed intermittent skirmishes between the countries' armed forces." Re: [2][3]These Soviet-Japanese border conflicts would have 2nd and 3rd order effects on military doctrine, development, and strategic focus (the Japanese stopped poking the Bear and focused on China). The Soviets gained some confidence in their operational doctrine and gained confidence fighting the Japanese (who they last fought against, and lost to, in the 1904-1905 Russo-Japanese War). Reference [4] describes how the Soviets managed border security during their Afghanistan war. Reference [5] has a short section on "Border Security in Contemporary Counterinsurgency" to summarize border control issues from Vietnam to Afghanistan to Iraq. It particularly points out the significant political ramifications of cross-border insurgents and counter-insurgency operations. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965 [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Khasan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Khasan [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol [4]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13518046.2015.1030276 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13518046.2015.10... [5]https://apps.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA503298 https://apps.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA503298 [6]https://www.marines.mil/News/Publications/MCPEL/Electronic-Library-Display/Article/1323621/mcdp-1-0-w-ch1-3 https://www.marines.mil/News/Publications/MCPEL/Electronic-L...

CapricornNoble 7y ago

>>>No it’s not, the most basic responsibility of national defense is stopping invading armies. And where do you intend to stop the invading armies, if not....at your border? >>>Stopping people coming over the border to be residents is probably not in the top 10 of national defense priorities. Well, let's take a look at the 2018 National Defense Strategy: https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2018-National-Defense-Strategy-Summary.pdf https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2018-Nation... Page 4, Defense Objectives, first line: -Defending the homeland from attack That's vague enough to cover infiltration of terrorist organizations across the border.

erikpukinskis 7y ago
You would stop invading armies everywhere, at the border, inside the border, in their homeland and the lands of their allies, in the borders of your own allies, anywhere. Do you imagine border patrol plays a key strategic role in war? What would be an example of that from history?
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  >>>You would stop invading armies everywhere, at the border, inside the border, in their homeland and the lands of their allies, in the borders of your own allies, anywhere. "Defend everywhere" makes for a very poor Commander's Intent or Mission Statement. If you are defending "inside the border"...you've already failed at stopping your adversary AT the border. It also violates almost half of the Principles of War (mass, objective, economy of force, simplicity). Reference Appendix B of [6]. >>>Do you imagine border patrol plays a key strategic role in war? What would be an example of that from history? From[1]: "Pakistani patrols began patrolling in territory controlled by India in January 1965, which was followed by attacks by both countries on each other's posts on 8 April 1965.[44][45] Initially involving border police from both nations, the disputed area soon witnessed intermittent skirmishes between the countries' armed forces." Re: [2][3]These Soviet-Japanese border conflicts would have 2nd and 3rd order effects on military doctrine, development, and strategic focus (the Japanese stopped poking the Bear and focused on China). The Soviets gained some confidence in their operational doctrine and gained confidence fighting the Japanese (who they last fought against, and lost to, in the 1904-1905 Russo-Japanese War). Reference [4] describes how the Soviets managed border security during their Afghanistan war. Reference [5] has a short section on "Border Security in Contemporary Counterinsurgency" to summarize border control issues from Vietnam to Afghanistan to Iraq. It particularly points out the significant political ramifications of cross-border insurgents and counter-insurgency operations. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965 [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Khasan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Khasan [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol [4]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13518046.2015.1030276 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13518046.2015.10... [5]https://apps.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA503298 https://apps.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA503298 [6]https://www.marines.mil/News/Publications/MCPEL/Electronic-Library-Display/Article/1323621/mcdp-1-0-w-ch1-3 https://www.marines.mil/News/Publications/MCPEL/Electronic-L...