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I'm not sophisticated enough to know what political signaling is, so it might be that. I don't know. What it has to do with it is that I can't justify nations

by chimi 7y ago

I'm not sophisticated enough to know what political signaling is, so it might be that. I don't know. What it has to do with it is that I can't justify nations spying if I don't think there should be nations. We are all people. No one chooses where they are born, their race, gender, etc. If it's wrong to discriminate for things over which we have no control, then I believe place of birth is no different than race or gender.

remarkEon 7y ago
>if I don’t think there should be nations. I’m saying it takes an absolutely unbelievable amount of bourgeoisie privilege to think this. It’s an idea that’s so naive it’s not even worth engaging on the merits, which is why I pointed out that people in certain social and political groups make utopian platitudes like this as a mechanism to signal how elite they are. Kind of like how people pretend to like “modern art” in order to look “cultured”.
- chimi 7y ago
  I don't know why you think it takes privilege to think this. If I was born in very bad country, I would still think it isn't fair that some people have a better life just because they were born in Norway or USA or Canada. I'm not making these statements in order to look anything. It's just what I believe based on my observation of the world around me. I don't even know what bourgeoisie privilege is.
  - remarkEon 7y ago
    If you are looking around your personal space and thinking “gee no borders would work out great” then you’re living in the very definition of bourgeoisie privilege.
    - chimi 7y ago
      That doesn't make any sense.
      - remarkEon 7y ago
        To you.
        chimi 7y ago
        You're speaking from the perspective of a theaticlastic denomination, so it's hard for you to accept another perspective. You have an idea in your mind and it makes sense to you, but you can't explain it or define it. You're saying it is because it is. It's that way because it's that way and because I believe something, it proves it is that way. But my belief could be held by someone in a completely different nation experiencing a completely different life, so you haven't added anything to the discussion. You can't just say, "You're wrong because you believe what you believe and that proves it."
        remarkEon 7y ago
        You’re right, I did try to Kafkatrap you there. But again I’m not interested in debating open borders on the merits because I’ve been to plenty of places that are ... not nice and not having a border between us and them is a recipe for Civilizational collapse. >theaticlastic Never encountered this word before.

by chimi 7y ago

remarkEon 7y ago

>if I don’t think there should be nations. I’m saying it takes an absolutely unbelievable amount of bourgeoisie privilege to think this. It’s an idea that’s so naive it’s not even worth engaging on the merits, which is why I pointed out that people in certain social and political groups make utopian platitudes like this as a mechanism to signal how elite they are. Kind of like how people pretend to like “modern art” in order to look “cultured”.

chimi 7y ago
I don't know why you think it takes privilege to think this. If I was born in very bad country, I would still think it isn't fair that some people have a better life just because they were born in Norway or USA or Canada. I'm not making these statements in order to look anything. It's just what I believe based on my observation of the world around me. I don't even know what bourgeoisie privilege is.
- remarkEon 7y ago
  If you are looking around your personal space and thinking “gee no borders would work out great” then you’re living in the very definition of bourgeoisie privilege.
  - chimi 7y ago
    That doesn't make any sense.
    - remarkEon 7y ago
      To you.
      - chimi 7y ago
        You're speaking from the perspective of a theaticlastic denomination, so it's hard for you to accept another perspective. You have an idea in your mind and it makes sense to you, but you can't explain it or define it. You're saying it is because it is. It's that way because it's that way and because I believe something, it proves it is that way. But my belief could be held by someone in a completely different nation experiencing a completely different life, so you haven't added anything to the discussion. You can't just say, "You're wrong because you believe what you believe and that proves it."
        remarkEon 7y ago
        You’re right, I did try to Kafkatrap you there. But again I’m not interested in debating open borders on the merits because I’ve been to plenty of places that are ... not nice and not having a border between us and them is a recipe for Civilizational collapse. >theaticlastic Never encountered this word before.