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The problem is you can't really choose. As someone with a spouse and kids and possibly other people depending on you (aka your income), the pressure to acquire

by croo 7y ago

The problem is you can't really choose. As someone with a spouse and kids and possibly other people depending on you (aka your income), the pressure to acquire a monthly payment is astounding. There really is no simple or quick way out of this rat race.

anon9001 7y ago
I'm trying so hard to get out. I'm single with no plan to have dependents, and a debt-free homeowner. I'm not in a relationship for obvious reasons, but if I was, I guess I'd be limited to FIRE people who don't want children, which isn't a very big pool. According to the calculators, I still have to put in at least another 10 years and save aggressively before I can quit. I don't think I'm gonna last that long, and if I do, I don't know if there'll be any of me left to enjoy it.
- qorrect 7y ago
  Is that for American retirement ? I absolutely love a tiny island town called Bocas Del Torro, Panama , you can buy a decent house for 50-150K, they use the US dollar, their is a large active expat community. If you're ok with learning Spanish, I'd get the f out before you completely die. My current plan is to hold this job for as long as I can, then I'm done ( I'm 40 for reference ) - Im going to live as long as the money lasts, have a good time of freedom, then it's goodbye.
  - anon9001 7y ago
    Yeah it is, based on age and savings and one of those FIRE calculators, and predicted spending based on what I know like house maintenance, food, clothes, etc. My Spanish is no bueno, but if my job was "learn Spanish", I don't think it'd be a huge problem. Wouldn't you have to worry about political instability down in Panama? How would health care work? Can I return to the US if I leave? Do I have to give up US citizenship? Would Panama be ok with me working remotely? There's gotta be some catch besides the choice of language.
    - qorrect 7y ago
      The catch is spotty internet, spotty electricity, no running water ( running water on the main island everywhere else is rainwater collection ), and shitty doctors. Healthcare is cash only, if you had a serious problem I would recommend going back to the US. If you spend over 50K for a house you get dual citizenship, you don't give up your US citizenship ( I personally wouldn't move anywhere where you have to give up US citizenship ) , you still pay taxes on any money earned in the US. It's not a perfect solution at all, you just have to figure out what you value the most. I will say, I spent 6 months down there, and coming back was hell. Why do we live this way ? The natives their fish out of the ocean for their food, they don't have alarm clocks, they don't have _any_ paperwork, and there some of the happiest people I've ever met. I'd trade my material shit for their freedom most days.
xkcd-sucks 7y ago
To be fair, there are plenty of destitute people with dependants. Yours can probably stand to lower their material standards
esolyt 7y ago
As someone who is not depended on by anyone, I still have to acquire a monthly payment. I don't have a way out of the rat race either.

by croo 7y ago

anon9001 7y ago

I'm trying so hard to get out. I'm single with no plan to have dependents, and a debt-free homeowner. I'm not in a relationship for obvious reasons, but if I was, I guess I'd be limited to FIRE people who don't want children, which isn't a very big pool. According to the calculators, I still have to put in at least another 10 years and save aggressively before I can quit. I don't think I'm gonna last that long, and if I do, I don't know if there'll be any of me left to enjoy it.

qorrect 7y ago
Is that for American retirement ? I absolutely love a tiny island town called Bocas Del Torro, Panama , you can buy a decent house for 50-150K, they use the US dollar, their is a large active expat community. If you're ok with learning Spanish, I'd get the f out before you completely die. My current plan is to hold this job for as long as I can, then I'm done ( I'm 40 for reference ) - Im going to live as long as the money lasts, have a good time of freedom, then it's goodbye.
- anon9001 7y ago
  Yeah it is, based on age and savings and one of those FIRE calculators, and predicted spending based on what I know like house maintenance, food, clothes, etc. My Spanish is no bueno, but if my job was "learn Spanish", I don't think it'd be a huge problem. Wouldn't you have to worry about political instability down in Panama? How would health care work? Can I return to the US if I leave? Do I have to give up US citizenship? Would Panama be ok with me working remotely? There's gotta be some catch besides the choice of language.
  - qorrect 7y ago
    The catch is spotty internet, spotty electricity, no running water ( running water on the main island everywhere else is rainwater collection ), and shitty doctors. Healthcare is cash only, if you had a serious problem I would recommend going back to the US. If you spend over 50K for a house you get dual citizenship, you don't give up your US citizenship ( I personally wouldn't move anywhere where you have to give up US citizenship ) , you still pay taxes on any money earned in the US. It's not a perfect solution at all, you just have to figure out what you value the most. I will say, I spent 6 months down there, and coming back was hell. Why do we live this way ? The natives their fish out of the ocean for their food, they don't have alarm clocks, they don't have _any_ paperwork, and there some of the happiest people I've ever met. I'd trade my material shit for their freedom most days.

xkcd-sucks 7y ago

To be fair, there are plenty of destitute people with dependants. Yours can probably stand to lower their material standards

esolyt 7y ago

As someone who is not depended on by anyone, I still have to acquire a monthly payment. I don't have a way out of the rat race either.