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The standard counterargument is that not allowing mobility is what enabled us to have any nice places to begin with, in an "ant and grasshopper" way. Building a
by 4bpp 7y ago
The standard counterargument is that not allowing mobility is what enabled us to have any nice places to begin with, in an "ant and grasshopper" way. Building a "nice" and affluent country is generally a multigenerational project involving plenty of individual sacrifice for the sake of a future that the sacrificing individuals will rarely themselves experience. If Norwegians knew that they all could move to any country they choose at their pleasure at all times, why would they save their oil money in a sovereign wealth fund instead of quitting work, blowing it all on blackjack and hookers right now, then taking out the greatest national credit line their country can secure to buy some more blackjack and hookers, and relocate a few 100km into Sweden once it's all used up? Knowing that the Norwegians would be thinking along those lines, what would stop the Swedes from racing to beat them onto the blackjack-and-hookers train?
Now, in reality, Norwegians and Swedes are sufficiently similar and familiar with each other that they probably would be able to predict the other's actions and jointly avoid racing to the bottom, but could you say this about, say, Germans and Egyptians, for more complex downward spirals than "burn through our assets faster than the others get to"? Add to it that the short-sighted policies that actually make the difference between successful and failed countries rarely are so straightforwardly bad as buying blackjack and hookers: more commonly, we'll be talking about economic experiments, corruption and kickbacks for interest groups, and really a handful of policies where we still can't confidently say if they were actually good for a given polity in the long run (space programmes, social programmes , infrastructure megaprojects...), but have to rely on history to naturally select for political processes that crystallise better instincts for their selection.
In less abstract terms, I think that especially many right-leaning Americans feel that Latin-American socialism gets close to being an instance of "blackjack and hookers" in the sense of the above metaphor, and in the same vein Germans feel that Levantine... sectarianism?... does. (As in, sitting down and negotiating a sustainable peace with people from other ethnic groups who might be heretics and devil-worshippers is the hardship-and-sacrifice option, whereas using any momentary advantage to enrich your friends and blow up infidels is short-term fun.)
- sgpl 7y agoThis counterargument conveniently ignores the history of 'European colonization of America from the early 16th century until the incorporation of the colonies into the United States of America [0]'. I'm not the most well-versed on these topic (colonization / mobility) but it would seem that that mobility is what helped shape America into what it is today rather than "not allowing mobility". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_history_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_history_of_the_United...
- inawarminister 7y agoWell, the original autochthonous inhabitants of Americas would almost certainly preferred to be left alone than getting the Germs, Gold, and Guns "gifts" from the explorers and colonists...
- gotoeleven 7y agoI think you two both agree, actually. How did colonization work out for the indians?
- jart 7y agoCome on Norway, cheer up. You're wonderful people. I don't believe you'd all go on blackjack-and-hooker downward spirals if your government gave you freedom. Throw off the yoke of state tyranny. Your countries are nice places due to the virtues of your people, not your governments. I had a Norwegian roommate for about a year, here in California. I have to admit I found it a little creepy how her government would do things like keep calling her on the phone every few weeks, to find out what she was doing, how much money she was making, etc. I also got the impression that some of the ideas she was exposed to, in her childhood environment, were going to make it much harder for her to thrive in an economic environment like California, versus an oil rich country like Norway. Very sad, almost like a limiting of potential.