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I eat food from grocery stores, not from fast food restaurants. I buy burger patties and ground beef regularly, and right next to them in the cooler is a stack

I eat food from grocery stores, not from fast food restaurants. I buy burger patties and ground beef regularly, and right next to them in the cooler is a stack of Beyond Meat packages. I'm very influenced in my choice by which I think is healthier for me. It's not my only criteria but it is the primary one. So information about the relative healthiness of cow vs plant based burgers is very relevant to me. Not everyone reading this article is a hypocrite trying to justify their ranch dressing intake. In the end I think that beef is healthier than pea protein isolate and canola oil. In fact I avoid both legumes and polyunsaturated oils, so this isn't a tough choice for me. The fat and protein profiles of beef are better, it has a lower carbohydrate load which helps to control diabetes, and is better tolerated by people with IBS. I may be wrong, but don't pretend that people who disagree with you are trivializing this choice. It has a direct effect on how many healthy years we have left.

laughinghan 7y ago
> I avoid ... polyunsaturated oils ... The fat and protein profiles of beef are better I'm confused. Every source I can find says that with diabetes, saturated fats are worse for you and unsaturated fats are better for you (same as without diabetes): https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/diabetes-understanding-fat https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/diabetes-understanding-fat https://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2016/09/diet-diabetes-saturated-fats-real-enemy/ https://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2016/09/diet-diabetes-sat... https://www.joslin.org/info/5-common-food-myths-for-people-with-diabetes.html https://www.joslin.org/info/5-common-food-myths-for-people-w... https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/eating-with-diabetes/food-groups/fats-and-diabetes https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/eat... https://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/diabetes-13/diabetes-management-news-180/diabetes-good-fats-and-bad-fats-644047.html https://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/diabetes-13/diab... Why do you believe that because of your diabetes, the saturated fat in beef is better for you than unsaturated oils?
- hirundo 7y ago
  I believe that because of my diabetes lower carb amounts are better for me. Much of the diabetes establishment still doesn't believe this, but going very low carb has had a massive benefit to my personal health. This is a hugely contentious issue in nutrition in recent years, and I find my self firmly on the side of Gary Taubes, Nina Teicholz and friends. I particularly recommend "The Big Fat Surprise" by Teicholz on the subject of the health of various fats. Her research goes flat against a wide variety of authorities ... and I find it very convincing. It sure changed what's on my plate.
- CREwert 7y ago
  look at "Good Calories Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes https://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Gary-Taubes-ebook/dp/B000UZNSC2/ https://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Gary-Taubes-ebook/d... as well as "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz as mentioned. Each of these paints a fully researched rebuttal to the mainline nutrition science sources you cite. Roughly "All of modern nutrition science is woefully corrupted, since about 1940".

laughinghan 7y ago

> I avoid ... polyunsaturated oils ... The fat and protein profiles of beef are better I'm confused. Every source I can find says that with diabetes, saturated fats are worse for you and unsaturated fats are better for you (same as without diabetes): https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/diabetes-understanding-fat https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/diabetes-understanding-fat https://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2016/09/diet-diabetes-saturated-fats-real-enemy/ https://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2016/09/diet-diabetes-sat... https://www.joslin.org/info/5-common-food-myths-for-people-with-diabetes.html https://www.joslin.org/info/5-common-food-myths-for-people-w... https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/eating-with-diabetes/food-groups/fats-and-diabetes https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/eat... https://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/diabetes-13/diabetes-management-news-180/diabetes-good-fats-and-bad-fats-644047.html https://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/diabetes-13/diab... Why do you believe that because of your diabetes, the saturated fat in beef is better for you than unsaturated oils?

hirundo 7y ago
I believe that because of my diabetes lower carb amounts are better for me. Much of the diabetes establishment still doesn't believe this, but going very low carb has had a massive benefit to my personal health. This is a hugely contentious issue in nutrition in recent years, and I find my self firmly on the side of Gary Taubes, Nina Teicholz and friends. I particularly recommend "The Big Fat Surprise" by Teicholz on the subject of the health of various fats. Her research goes flat against a wide variety of authorities ... and I find it very convincing. It sure changed what's on my plate.
CREwert 7y ago
look at "Good Calories Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes https://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Gary-Taubes-ebook/dp/B000UZNSC2/ https://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Gary-Taubes-ebook/d... as well as "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz as mentioned. Each of these paints a fully researched rebuttal to the mainline nutrition science sources you cite. Roughly "All of modern nutrition science is woefully corrupted, since about 1940".