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It's not just about choice, it's a safety issue. https://www.consumerreports.org/product-safety/deaths-tied-to-e-scooters/ https://www.consumerreports.org/prod

It's not just about choice, it's a safety issue. https://www.consumerreports.org/product-safety/deaths-tied-to-e-scooters/ https://www.consumerreports.org/product-safety/deaths-tied-t... > Earlier this year, a CR investigation—which tabulated injuries from 110 hospitals in 47 U.S. cities—found that at least 1,500 riders had been injured since e-scooters were introduced in late 2017, and there were four fatalities. Since then, CR has identified an additional four deaths.

DuskStar 7y ago
Okay, and? Raw death numbers, without corresponding usage numbers, are kind of useless. More people die as pedestrians, or in cars, than on scooters after all. Deaths/mile or deaths/hour would both allow some sort of real comparison.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  These deaths are on top of the already occurring deaths, these would not have happened if the person was walking instead. > a 5-year-old boy riding with his mother died when he fell off a scooter and was hit by a vehicle.
  - kragen 7y ago
    Why do you think that? The evidence you described does not support this conclusion; do you have access to some other private evidence you aren't sharing?
Steltek 7y ago
No, the safety issue is cars. Take away cars and you take away 99.9% of transportation's ~40,0000 annual fatalities.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  Scooters have no regulation and constant misuse. Yes cars are dangerous, but that's not what we're talking about, and you can't remove them, unless you plan to relocate everyone to urban areas, revamp public transportation in urban areas (which can't seem to be done, see California train), and figure out how to stock stores without trucks.
  - Steltek 7y ago
    You can't talk about scooter safety without talking about how scooter users are dying. You need to wade past scores of dead people killed by a driver to find one or two unfortunate people who wrapped themselves around trees. Automobiles are so far and away the most lethal element on the road that there's no point in talking about anything else. I refuse to talk about cracking pavement or helmet laws before we talk about why drivers feel entitled to go double the speed limit, text and drive, or be "just a little" drunk. How many people have coworkers that take work calls on their way into work? I know a lot of people who brag about their callous disregard for other people's safety. It's a sick disease.
- ars 7y ago
  No you don't, you'll just replace them with something else. Assuming of course you are not increasing people's travel times with your new device. If your plan is actually "make everything slow and take forever", then sure you can get rid of fatalities.

DuskStar 7y ago

Okay, and? Raw death numbers, without corresponding usage numbers, are kind of useless. More people die as pedestrians, or in cars, than on scooters after all. Deaths/mile or deaths/hour would both allow some sort of real comparison.

s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
These deaths are on top of the already occurring deaths, these would not have happened if the person was walking instead. > a 5-year-old boy riding with his mother died when he fell off a scooter and was hit by a vehicle.
- kragen 7y ago
  Why do you think that? The evidence you described does not support this conclusion; do you have access to some other private evidence you aren't sharing?

Steltek 7y ago

No, the safety issue is cars. Take away cars and you take away 99.9% of transportation's ~40,0000 annual fatalities.

s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
Scooters have no regulation and constant misuse. Yes cars are dangerous, but that's not what we're talking about, and you can't remove them, unless you plan to relocate everyone to urban areas, revamp public transportation in urban areas (which can't seem to be done, see California train), and figure out how to stock stores without trucks.
- Steltek 7y ago
  You can't talk about scooter safety without talking about how scooter users are dying. You need to wade past scores of dead people killed by a driver to find one or two unfortunate people who wrapped themselves around trees. Automobiles are so far and away the most lethal element on the road that there's no point in talking about anything else. I refuse to talk about cracking pavement or helmet laws before we talk about why drivers feel entitled to go double the speed limit, text and drive, or be "just a little" drunk. How many people have coworkers that take work calls on their way into work? I know a lot of people who brag about their callous disregard for other people's safety. It's a sick disease.
ars 7y ago
No you don't, you'll just replace them with something else. Assuming of course you are not increasing people's travel times with your new device. If your plan is actually "make everything slow and take forever", then sure you can get rid of fatalities.