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This is an interesting framework and it seems apparent to sadly hold truth. The other framework is that it is nothing more than simply of course as anyone can e

This is an interesting framework and it seems apparent to sadly hold truth. The other framework is that it is nothing more than simply of course as anyone can easily see Jewish and pro-Israeli politicians, technocrats, billionaires, industry-leaders and lobbying groups frankly exist in such extreme disproportion to any other ethnic group in elite America that it would be surprising if they didn't have a special, privileged relationship. It is so easy to become a pariah just for simply stating this blatantly obvious state of affairs, or worse instantaneously lose your career for saying something like get out of Palestine such as how Helen Thomas did. One of my parents is Jewish, but I frankly despise racism, nepotism and nationalism and do care about living in a free and honest society and this topic clearly is one example where extreme cognitive dissonance, political correctness have made it into frankly Wrongthink. AFAIK there are only two countries to have openly attacked the US Navy and both received nuclear weapons though not delivered in the same way. AIPAC openly interferes with US elections. I'm not sure what good comes out of all of this, but if there is some I would like to at least know.

pessimizer 7y ago
> frankly exist in such extreme disproportion to any other ethnic group in elite America I do not think that this is true at all. A lot of interests converge in the US relationship with the Israeli state, but Judaism as a religion isn't the dominant partner. The US is full of antisemites, and the refusal of the US to take in refugees as WWII was brewing contributed to the intensity of the Holocaust, and the increase in Jewish support for the Zionist project. You can easily become a pro-Israel politician if you are an antisemite who is taking money from a contractor (who is also antisemitic) who sells arms to Israel, and you're representing a state filled with evangelicals who believe that Israel will cause the second coming of Jesus Christ, who will either convert or condemn all of the Jews to eternal suffering. Israel doesn't control anything, and the US doesn't intrinsically care about Israel (which is why it's constantly insecure in the relationship.) Wealthy people in the US use Israel for their own purposes, and Israel (largely Likudnik Israel) spends lots of time and effort to remain valuable to those people. I think that a few old, terrible Jewish billionaires who think that their rabid support of Israel (through donating to US right-wingers) will get them into heaven despite their terrible personal and business ethics get an inordinate amount of attention, and end up characterizing all of Israeli lobbying for a lot of people.

pessimizer 7y ago

> frankly exist in such extreme disproportion to any other ethnic group in elite America I do not think that this is true at all. A lot of interests converge in the US relationship with the Israeli state, but Judaism as a religion isn't the dominant partner. The US is full of antisemites, and the refusal of the US to take in refugees as WWII was brewing contributed to the intensity of the Holocaust, and the increase in Jewish support for the Zionist project. You can easily become a pro-Israel politician if you are an antisemite who is taking money from a contractor (who is also antisemitic) who sells arms to Israel, and you're representing a state filled with evangelicals who believe that Israel will cause the second coming of Jesus Christ, who will either convert or condemn all of the Jews to eternal suffering. Israel doesn't control anything, and the US doesn't intrinsically care about Israel (which is why it's constantly insecure in the relationship.) Wealthy people in the US use Israel for their own purposes, and Israel (largely Likudnik Israel) spends lots of time and effort to remain valuable to those people. I think that a few old, terrible Jewish billionaires who think that their rabid support of Israel (through donating to US right-wingers) will get them into heaven despite their terrible personal and business ethics get an inordinate amount of attention, and end up characterizing all of Israeli lobbying for a lot of people.