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People illegally present in the US cannot work legally. That means they work under the table and are subject to all sorts of abuse, and their presence promotes

People illegally present in the US cannot work legally. That means they work under the table and are subject to all sorts of abuse, and their presence promotes gray market/black market economies. While I think it is unfair to deport people who have been here for decades and giving them amnesty (again, like we did in the 1980s) is a reasonable solution especially for those who were kids when they came here, I don’t have any problem with stopping new people from crossing illegally. If we want to increase immigration we should do it the right way by raising legal quotas and allowing people to come via the visa process.

anigbrowl 7y ago
So let people have work permits as long as they don't commit serious crimes and the illegal work problem goes away. There is no necessity for the control freakery that has driven much immigration policy in recent years.
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  Two of the big problems right now are: 1. People entering the country outside of defined points of entry. We can't issue a work permit to people we don't know are here. Anduril's products are meant to address these gaps in the border, which should lead to all traffic being forced to official points of entry. 2. Illegals who commit crimes get released.[1] Sometimes released domestically, sometimes deported. Some of the deported ones return. Which brings us back to #1. [1]https://www.foxnews.com/us/kate-steinle-jose-inez-garcia-zarate-california-appeals-court https://www.foxnews.com/us/kate-steinle-jose-inez-garcia-zar...
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    1. people don't have an incentive to avoid ports of entry if we don't make the admissions process so draconian. 2. 'illegal' isn't a noun. These are people we're talking about. This is not a place for you to peddle your propaganda.
    - CapricornNoble 7y ago
      Agreed on your first point. The process absolutely needs reform. To your second. It's a truncation of the term "illegal alien": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law) That's not propaganda, it's a legal term. Casting commonly accepted terms of the relevant lexicon in a political light only reveals your own political bias.
      - anigbrowl 7y ago
        Recasting legal terminology into dehumanizing nouns is a propaganda technique. It's very obvious that you're here to grind an axe and your axe is a style I'm very familiar with.
- javagram 7y ago
  That’s open borders and it isn’t a popular policy with the country, which is why it hasn’t happened. (I don’t think any first world country has such a policy, the USA is hardly alone here) People are worried that a dramatic rise in immigrants willing to work for less (since it’s still better off than their home countries) would undercut their jobs by affecting the supply/demand relationship of the labor market. I’m not sure unrestricted immigration could work but I think we could increase the numbers of visas we do give out by some number less than unlimited.

anigbrowl 7y ago

So let people have work permits as long as they don't commit serious crimes and the illegal work problem goes away. There is no necessity for the control freakery that has driven much immigration policy in recent years.

CapricornNoble 7y ago
Two of the big problems right now are: 1. People entering the country outside of defined points of entry. We can't issue a work permit to people we don't know are here. Anduril's products are meant to address these gaps in the border, which should lead to all traffic being forced to official points of entry. 2. Illegals who commit crimes get released.[1] Sometimes released domestically, sometimes deported. Some of the deported ones return. Which brings us back to #1. [1]https://www.foxnews.com/us/kate-steinle-jose-inez-garcia-zarate-california-appeals-court https://www.foxnews.com/us/kate-steinle-jose-inez-garcia-zar...
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  1. people don't have an incentive to avoid ports of entry if we don't make the admissions process so draconian. 2. 'illegal' isn't a noun. These are people we're talking about. This is not a place for you to peddle your propaganda.
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    Agreed on your first point. The process absolutely needs reform. To your second. It's a truncation of the term "illegal alien": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law) That's not propaganda, it's a legal term. Casting commonly accepted terms of the relevant lexicon in a political light only reveals your own political bias.
    - anigbrowl 7y ago
      Recasting legal terminology into dehumanizing nouns is a propaganda technique. It's very obvious that you're here to grind an axe and your axe is a style I'm very familiar with.
javagram 7y ago
That’s open borders and it isn’t a popular policy with the country, which is why it hasn’t happened. (I don’t think any first world country has such a policy, the USA is hardly alone here) People are worried that a dramatic rise in immigrants willing to work for less (since it’s still better off than their home countries) would undercut their jobs by affecting the supply/demand relationship of the labor market. I’m not sure unrestricted immigration could work but I think we could increase the numbers of visas we do give out by some number less than unlimited.