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The first meeting of EU leaders after Brexit was devoted, entirely, to discussing the apparently urgent EU army. Guess how much time they spent discussing that

The first meeting of EU leaders after Brexit was devoted, entirely, to discussing the apparently urgent EU army. Guess how much time they spent discussing that the EU was just rejected completely by the biggest vote in British history: none whatsoever. The EU isn't even federalising, really. It's just centralising. That's happening despite the fact that very few want it because they aren't allowed to disagree. New treaties aren't being signed, but that doesn't matter: the existing treaty is self amending and anyway, the ECJ can be relied on to always re-interpret the treaties to grant the EU new powers it was explicitly not meant to have. The Kafkaesque way they decided that state aid rules allowed the EU to control corporate tax rates is an example of that: the Commission was never given that power, explicitly and by design, but they took it anyway. With a corrupt Supreme Court ideologically devoted to increasing executive power, treaties and laws don't mean anything. So I'd argue if you can't see it happening you're not paying attention.

ttepasse 7y ago
> The first meeting of EU leaders after Brexit was devoted, entirely, to discussing the apparently urgent EU army. The Brexit vote was on 2016-6-23. The next EU Council meeting was on 2016-6-28. According to the minutes [1] and conclusios the Council discussed the Syrian refugee crisis, economics, external relations and the Brexit vote. No EU army was discussed, the only defence-related thing was EU-NATO cooperation. * [1] http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-27-2016-INIT/en/pdf http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-27-2016-INIT... * [2] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/21645/28-euco-conclusions.pdf https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/21645/28-euco-conclusi... > Guess how much time they spent discussing that the EU was just rejected completely by the biggest vote in British history: none whatsoever. Immediately after this Council meeting the EU27 (all member states sans the UK) met in an informal meeting whose whole topics were of course Brexit and the state of the European Union. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/20462/sn00060-en16.pdf https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/20462/sn00060-en16.pdf
- repolfx 7y ago
  The minutes of that meeting merely say that Theresa May informed them of the outcome, which they all knew already of course. It says nothing else. Quite possibly nobody else spoke. The meeting I'm referring to is this one https://amp.dw.com/en/uk-will-oppose-any-idea-of-eu-army-despite-impending-brexit/a-35898499 https://amp.dw.com/en/uk-will-oppose-any-idea-of-eu-army-des... In the years since the vote I haven't seen the EU agree on any changes triggered by the vote or even really discuss why it happened. From the agendas of their meetings you could think it'd never happened at all.

ttepasse 7y ago

> The first meeting of EU leaders after Brexit was devoted, entirely, to discussing the apparently urgent EU army. The Brexit vote was on 2016-6-23. The next EU Council meeting was on 2016-6-28. According to the minutes [1] and conclusios the Council discussed the Syrian refugee crisis, economics, external relations and the Brexit vote. No EU army was discussed, the only defence-related thing was EU-NATO cooperation. * [1] http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-27-2016-INIT/en/pdf http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-27-2016-INIT... * [2] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/21645/28-euco-conclusions.pdf https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/21645/28-euco-conclusi... > Guess how much time they spent discussing that the EU was just rejected completely by the biggest vote in British history: none whatsoever. Immediately after this Council meeting the EU27 (all member states sans the UK) met in an informal meeting whose whole topics were of course Brexit and the state of the European Union. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/20462/sn00060-en16.pdf https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/20462/sn00060-en16.pdf

repolfx 7y ago
The minutes of that meeting merely say that Theresa May informed them of the outcome, which they all knew already of course. It says nothing else. Quite possibly nobody else spoke. The meeting I'm referring to is this one https://amp.dw.com/en/uk-will-oppose-any-idea-of-eu-army-despite-impending-brexit/a-35898499 https://amp.dw.com/en/uk-will-oppose-any-idea-of-eu-army-des... In the years since the vote I haven't seen the EU agree on any changes triggered by the vote or even really discuss why it happened. From the agendas of their meetings you could think it'd never happened at all.