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> On a mac, to actually grab the scroller for scrubbing, you need to scroll a bit to make it visible and then manage to bring your cursor into a tiny area using
by ebg13 7y ago
> On a mac, to actually grab the scroller for scrubbing, you need to scroll a bit to make it visible and then manage to bring your cursor into a tiny area using the trackpad
This complaint looks disingenuous to me. If you're using a trackpad, you already have scrolling built in and the scrollbar is there primarily for visual feedback.
The reason that scrollbars can now be invisible by default is exactly _because_ of the ubiquity of touchpads and mice with built-in scrolling.
- tempguy9999 7y agoYou're (IMO) missing the point. I decide because it my machine. It is not your machine; respect that and everyone will be happy.
- berdon 7y agoThe opposite is true as well - it's the web developers website. If you don't like how they style the scrollbars...don't use it.
- tempguy9999 7y agoInteresting point (upvoted too). Are you a web dev?
- berdon 7y agoNo, and I generally agree with the sentiment that poor UX is bad for the user. I just disagree with users pushing their palate onto others. That's not how it should work.
- tempguy9999 7y agoOoh, that's a bit much. The website dev is pushing their side. No user of the site is forcing anything onto any other user of the site. Perhaps we can have an HTTP header or something that says to the site, please don't mess with browser behaviour. Omit that and the site has got implicit permission.
- berdon 7y agoThe website dev is generally the one paying for and providing the website... Why is it you expect the provider to bend to the whims of the user? The user doesn't need to use the website. That's like saying Crest should make orange toothpaste because you don't like the color. Don't buy their non-orange toothpaste.
- wtallis 7y agoSure, it's the dev's website. But the browser is my user agent, not your developer agent. It is fundamental to the purpose of a web browser that it should prioritize the wishes of the end user over those of the server.
- berdon 7y ago> It is fundamental to the purpose of a web browser that it should prioritize the wishes of the end user over those of the server. No it isn't. It's fundamental to your preference. Your preference doesn't supersede others'. Don't use a website if you don't like it.
- nine_k 7y agoThis is exactly what's going to happen. If the site's owner for some reason looked for my business — well, the developer's priorities were different, tough luck!
- lhorie 7y agoScrolling yes, but not scrubbing. The latter is a feature that people use for navigating very large pages (e.g. I may remember the rough location of some section of some programming language spec that I'm looking to consult, but the spec is 500 pages long)
- nitwit005 7y agoYou can say it's disingenuous, but I used to hit that issue fairly regularly. I've seen that complaint more than once, so I assume a large subset of users did as well. Habits built over years won't vanish just because you add a track pad. It now widens when you move the cursor near it, so they have mitigated the issue.
- ori_b 7y ago> This complaint looks disingenuous to me. If you're using a trackpad, you already have scrolling built in and the scrollbar is there primarily for visual feedback. For short scrolling, that's fine. For long documents, you're sitting there flailing.