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Say "Orwellian security company" "Virtual Wall" is not the only thing they do.

by karlp 7y ago

dang 7y ago
The submitted title ("Palmer Luckey's new startup, a virtual US/Mexico wall, valued $1B by A16Z") broke the site guidelines, which ask: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." We've reverted it to the original now. Submitters: Rewriting titles has a massive effect on discussion, so please don't do that unless the original title is misleading or linkbait. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mrguyorama 7y ago
  >misleading or linkbait Those are massively subjective concepts, especially in the modern political climate. Have you considered adding examples or further discussing this point in the guidelines?
  - filoleg 7y ago
    While that would be nice, I don't feel like in this scenario it would have mattered at all. The actual title of the article is pretty clearly neither misleading nor a linkbait.
  - dmix 7y ago
    It should be pretty obvious to anyone using the internet for long to identify what's flamebait. If you need examples just look at the political sections of Twitter and Reddit where all sense of civility and intellectual debate has been abandoned. Or look at the headlines of clickbait news sites like Buzzfeed and Vice which target that demographic and do the opposite. There's no shortage of examples kicking around.
    - mindcandy 7y ago
      It should be for a lot of people. But, for more than enough people, it’s not. And, even if it is obvious, the drama it promotes even among the knowledgable is a big negative I’d prefer to avoid on HN.
      - dmix 7y ago
        Well dang is an expert in it by now and I 100% trust him to make the right choices. Not everyone has to 'get' it and if there was any serious problems they'd bubble up.
  - dang 7y ago
    There are zillions of case studies in the moderation comments we've posted over the years. I wouldn't add much to the guidelines because if we make them too long, they won't get read. Many things about moderation are massively subjective. We do our best to be fair, and in most cases the guidelines provide good guidance.

Say "Orwellian security company" "Virtual Wall" is not the only thing they do.

by karlp 7y ago

Say "Orwellian security company" "Virtual Wall" is not the only thing they do.

dang 7y ago

The submitted title ("Palmer Luckey's new startup, a virtual US/Mexico wall, valued $1B by A16Z") broke the site guidelines, which ask: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." We've reverted it to the original now. Submitters: Rewriting titles has a massive effect on discussion, so please don't do that unless the original title is misleading or linkbait. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mrguyorama 7y ago
>misleading or linkbait Those are massively subjective concepts, especially in the modern political climate. Have you considered adding examples or further discussing this point in the guidelines?
- filoleg 7y ago
  While that would be nice, I don't feel like in this scenario it would have mattered at all. The actual title of the article is pretty clearly neither misleading nor a linkbait.
- dmix 7y ago
  It should be pretty obvious to anyone using the internet for long to identify what's flamebait. If you need examples just look at the political sections of Twitter and Reddit where all sense of civility and intellectual debate has been abandoned. Or look at the headlines of clickbait news sites like Buzzfeed and Vice which target that demographic and do the opposite. There's no shortage of examples kicking around.
  - mindcandy 7y ago
    It should be for a lot of people. But, for more than enough people, it’s not. And, even if it is obvious, the drama it promotes even among the knowledgable is a big negative I’d prefer to avoid on HN.
    - dmix 7y ago
      Well dang is an expert in it by now and I 100% trust him to make the right choices. Not everyone has to 'get' it and if there was any serious problems they'd bubble up.
- dang 7y ago
  There are zillions of case studies in the moderation comments we've posted over the years. I wouldn't add much to the guidelines because if we make them too long, they won't get read. Many things about moderation are massively subjective. We do our best to be fair, and in most cases the guidelines provide good guidance.