> Welfare isn't people asking for a handout from society, it's a government program paid for with tax dollars. That's the definition of a handout. The governme

> Welfare isn't people asking for a handout from society, it's a government program paid for with tax dollars. That's the definition of a handout. The government is the people, and giving someone money for nothing in return is a handout. > but it no more has the right to complain about what recipients do with the money than employers do about their employees. That's not comparable at all. With employers there is an exchange of services for money. With welfare there is no exchange. It's meant to help people on hard times, not be a long term income source. > People already starve as a consequence to their actions And I'm arguing the rate would be higher with UBI. > sometimes because the restrictions imposed on welfare programs by society make it infeasible for people in need to actually participate in those programs Which is obviously bad, but those restrictions are because of previous rampant abuse of the system. Without them, the system would likely no longer exist. > no moralizing from the crowd that thinks poverty is sin and moral weakness, and that the poor need to be taught a hard lesson before being granted the privilege of a meal. Yeah I never said that at all. I'm all in favor of helping people for a limited period when they are down, but the system is filled with abuse.