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> If you try to end it, you'll be called antisemites, Holocaust deniers You're downvoted, but this has absolutely been my observation as well

BlackRing 7y ago
He's not wrong. They don't provide anything we couldn't get elsewhere.
alfromspace 7y ago
I'm no fan of Rep Ilhan Omar, but I find the antisemitism charges against her absurd. AIPAC alone spends almost $70 million per year, and we're supposed to pretend lobbying has nothing to do with our seemingly unconditional support for Israel?
- partialrecall 7y ago
  > I'm no fan of Rep Ilhan Omar, but I find the antisemitism charges against her absurd. Yes, that situation seems comparable to the smears of antisemitism thrown against Jeremy Corbyn too.
amitport 7y ago
>Israel is the boss, US is the muscle >If you try to end it, you'll be called antisemites, Holocaust deniers, etc. until you submit. >> this has absolutely been my observation as well Have you considered that you've been called antisemites because you are. Not because you have experience with "try[ing] to end it" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Political_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Political_antisem... US is not controlled by Israel and you're idiots for thinking that. There many logical ways to reach this conclusion, but just for fun here's a question: If it's so easy to control ~350m people of the US wouldn't the controllers be China or Russia? or wouldn't some rich cocaine manufacturer lobby its way to the congress and have that sold in supermarkets? (I do realize that using the term "idiots" means I'll get downvotes, but isn't there an exception considering that they really are idiots (and antisemites))
- tracer4201 7y ago
  Israel has unreasonable influence in the US. Speaking against them in any way can be career suicide for American politicians. Dismissing criticism of Israel and the Israeli lobby as anti Semitic is just an attempt to control the conversation, nothing more.
  - flyinglizard 7y ago
    Many Americans care deeply about Israel. What’s wrong with that?
    - tracer4201 7y ago
      I am not sure how true that is more recently, at least in more liberal circles, although that is really besides the point. I can criticize the American government and insult my president, and that’s generally more tolerable (although people may disagree) than criticizing the government of Israel. You won’t be jailed but your reputation will be tarnished because the narrative has been that not supporting Israel 100% unconditionally is equivalent to being anti Semitic. It’s just a move to shut down any discussion. We can debate gun reform, healthcare, climate bills, etc. we can criticize allies all over the world, but Israel should not be questioned. If you don’t see the problem with that, you’re probably part of the problem.
      - amitport 7y ago
        You can disagree and criticise as long as you're not making antisemite claims. If you can't tell where this line stands you’re probably part of the problem.
        tracer4201 7y ago
        Your first statement is inaccurate, and your second statement tries to reword something I said earlier but is written as a direct personal attack. Your other post already got flagged, but you just don’t stop. In general, anyone who speaks against Israel policies is ridiculed as an anti Semite. Your post and your personal attacks are once more trying to control the discussion.

BlackRing 7y ago

He's not wrong. They don't provide anything we couldn't get elsewhere.

alfromspace 7y ago

I'm no fan of Rep Ilhan Omar, but I find the antisemitism charges against her absurd. AIPAC alone spends almost $70 million per year, and we're supposed to pretend lobbying has nothing to do with our seemingly unconditional support for Israel?

partialrecall 7y ago
> I'm no fan of Rep Ilhan Omar, but I find the antisemitism charges against her absurd. Yes, that situation seems comparable to the smears of antisemitism thrown against Jeremy Corbyn too.

amitport 7y ago

>Israel is the boss, US is the muscle >If you try to end it, you'll be called antisemites, Holocaust deniers, etc. until you submit. >> this has absolutely been my observation as well Have you considered that you've been called antisemites because you are. Not because you have experience with "try[ing] to end it" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Political_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Political_antisem... US is not controlled by Israel and you're idiots for thinking that. There many logical ways to reach this conclusion, but just for fun here's a question: If it's so easy to control ~350m people of the US wouldn't the controllers be China or Russia? or wouldn't some rich cocaine manufacturer lobby its way to the congress and have that sold in supermarkets? (I do realize that using the term "idiots" means I'll get downvotes, but isn't there an exception considering that they really are idiots (and antisemites))

tracer4201 7y ago
Israel has unreasonable influence in the US. Speaking against them in any way can be career suicide for American politicians. Dismissing criticism of Israel and the Israeli lobby as anti Semitic is just an attempt to control the conversation, nothing more.
- flyinglizard 7y ago
  Many Americans care deeply about Israel. What’s wrong with that?
  - tracer4201 7y ago
    I am not sure how true that is more recently, at least in more liberal circles, although that is really besides the point. I can criticize the American government and insult my president, and that’s generally more tolerable (although people may disagree) than criticizing the government of Israel. You won’t be jailed but your reputation will be tarnished because the narrative has been that not supporting Israel 100% unconditionally is equivalent to being anti Semitic. It’s just a move to shut down any discussion. We can debate gun reform, healthcare, climate bills, etc. we can criticize allies all over the world, but Israel should not be questioned. If you don’t see the problem with that, you’re probably part of the problem.
    - amitport 7y ago
      You can disagree and criticise as long as you're not making antisemite claims. If you can't tell where this line stands you’re probably part of the problem.
      - tracer4201 7y ago
        Your first statement is inaccurate, and your second statement tries to reword something I said earlier but is written as a direct personal attack. Your other post already got flagged, but you just don’t stop. In general, anyone who speaks against Israel policies is ridiculed as an anti Semite. Your post and your personal attacks are once more trying to control the discussion.