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> Wrong threat model. You are not permitted to hand-wave corrupt government interception or rubberhosing of civilian data as "wrong threat model." These techn
by a-raccoon 7y ago
> Wrong threat model.
You are not permitted to hand-wave corrupt government interception or rubberhosing of civilian data as "wrong threat model." These technologies are central to, and must be focused specifically on, protecting all civilian data from all governments. That is the primary purpose of all privacy systems. Not to protect you from coffee-shop denizens trying to snoop which dating sites you use.
- dredmorbius 7y agoYour ISP is subject to the same FISA warrant threat. If it's one of the large monopoly providers, it's as much a one-stop-shop as Cloudfront is.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoNot outside the US. Now unless Mozilla decides to pick a different DoH party for deployment in EU, the problem will come back.
- dredmorbius 7y agoFair point. I'd meant to add "inside the US". The warrant hypo strongly implies this, though as you note, needn't necessarily. Though outside the US, the NSA doesn't require a FISA warrant to intercept data, nor does it face any US legal restrictions on doing so.
- dangerface 7y agoThe internet is as much of a monopoly outside of the US for example Tiscali in Europe. We have the same kangaroo courts when it comes to getting warrants to invade people privacy. At least from a general perspective I don't see a big difference.
- icebraining 7y agoBut it's not one or the other; an EU court will make a warrant for the ISP traffic data, and an US court for the DNS requests. You become vulnerable to both.
- vsl 7y ago1.1.1.1 operates on edges of CloudFlare CDN - EU users will be handled by EU DNS server. And there’s no logging.
- icebraining 7y agoCloudflare is still a US company. Do you have any FISA jurisprudence showing that simply running the server on another country makes it immune to warrants? > And there’s no logging. Until the courts say there must be.