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Solenya: Micro-framework in TypeScript

27 points by fuzzythinker 7y ago

bitwize 7y ago
Solenya? The pickle man who crawls out of your soup bowl and steals your dreams?
- pickle-ts 7y ago
  Haha my intent was "small and powerful" but that too :)
teleclimber 7y ago
Interesting concepts and ideas. There is definitely a lot of room to simplify frontend frameworks and I'm glad to see work in this direction. In the composition sample code [1] I see two counters in the code, but only one shows up in the rendered view. Am I missing something? I would have expected two independent counters. [1] https://stackblitz.com/edit/solenya-samples?file=app%2Fcomposition.ts https://stackblitz.com/edit/solenya-samples?file=app%2Fcompo...
- fuzzythinker 7y ago
  Don't know why it's loading the counter sample. But if you click composition on the right output pane, it will load the composition sample.
  - pickle-ts 7y ago
    Yes, it's just the way stackblitz works: the actual route gets stolen by the stackblitz application itself.
ng12 7y ago
It seems like React without the JSX. Why would I want to use it?
- pickle-ts 7y ago
  Here's the motivation: https://github.com/solenya-group/solenya#motivation https://github.com/solenya-group/solenya#motivation
  - ricardobeat 7y ago
    > the side-effects of complexity are costly code bases defended by programmers who's actual talent is politics Spot on. That describes a majority of mainstream libraries in JS today.
  - ng12 7y ago
    That doesn't really mean anything to me. It keeps talking about "other frameworks do this" or "other frameworks focus on this" -- but all of the examples in the docs would be basically 1:1 rewrites into React or Vue.
    - pickle-ts 7y ago
      Someone has actually just posted on github a request for Solenya to implement the RealWorld example app. I think that would be great idea, so people could directly compare Solenya with say React+Redux. Abstract reasoning is one thing, but it's always good to see side-by-side comparisons. Note the inclusion of a state management library for an apples-to-apples comparison, since Solenya has intrinsic state management. Also note that I'm firmly NOT in the "all you need is the V in MVC" camp. Dealing with state is one of the trickiest aspects of writing scalable code that I've sought to address. There's an excellent video that discusses state management in large applications here (in the context of Angular, but the principles apply generally): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBLTz8QRg4Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBLTz8QRg4Q My goal has been to deal with these issues in a way that works for both small and big apps. Previously, I dreaded having to make the decision at the start of an app: "is this app complex enough that I have to pay the tax of using a state manager?", where there's two very different ways of writing the application and I had to cross my fingers whether I'd made the right choice. The solution to this dilemma with Solenya, has been to make the tax of having state management so low that it's always on, whether the application is big or small.
pickle-ts 7y ago
Hi, author of Solenya here. Thanks for the post. For anyone interested, here'a a few more links: Main page w/ links to other resources: https://www.solenya.org/ https://www.solenya.org/ Fun example app built w/ solenya: deep learning to recognize digits in your browser: https://www.solenya.org/deep-learning https://www.solenya.org/deep-learning Real world app built w/ solenya: code music in your browser: https://www.motifn.com/ https://www.motifn.com/

27 points by fuzzythinker 7y ago

bitwize 7y ago

Solenya? The pickle man who crawls out of your soup bowl and steals your dreams?

pickle-ts 7y ago
Haha my intent was "small and powerful" but that too :)

teleclimber 7y ago

Interesting concepts and ideas. There is definitely a lot of room to simplify frontend frameworks and I'm glad to see work in this direction. In the composition sample code [1] I see two counters in the code, but only one shows up in the rendered view. Am I missing something? I would have expected two independent counters. [1] https://stackblitz.com/edit/solenya-samples?file=app%2Fcomposition.ts https://stackblitz.com/edit/solenya-samples?file=app%2Fcompo...

fuzzythinker 7y ago
Don't know why it's loading the counter sample. But if you click composition on the right output pane, it will load the composition sample.
- pickle-ts 7y ago
  Yes, it's just the way stackblitz works: the actual route gets stolen by the stackblitz application itself.

ng12 7y ago

It seems like React without the JSX. Why would I want to use it?

pickle-ts 7y ago
Here's the motivation: https://github.com/solenya-group/solenya#motivation https://github.com/solenya-group/solenya#motivation
- ricardobeat 7y ago
  > the side-effects of complexity are costly code bases defended by programmers who's actual talent is politics Spot on. That describes a majority of mainstream libraries in JS today.
- ng12 7y ago
  That doesn't really mean anything to me. It keeps talking about "other frameworks do this" or "other frameworks focus on this" -- but all of the examples in the docs would be basically 1:1 rewrites into React or Vue.
  - pickle-ts 7y ago
    Someone has actually just posted on github a request for Solenya to implement the RealWorld example app. I think that would be great idea, so people could directly compare Solenya with say React+Redux. Abstract reasoning is one thing, but it's always good to see side-by-side comparisons. Note the inclusion of a state management library for an apples-to-apples comparison, since Solenya has intrinsic state management. Also note that I'm firmly NOT in the "all you need is the V in MVC" camp. Dealing with state is one of the trickiest aspects of writing scalable code that I've sought to address. There's an excellent video that discusses state management in large applications here (in the context of Angular, but the principles apply generally): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBLTz8QRg4Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBLTz8QRg4Q My goal has been to deal with these issues in a way that works for both small and big apps. Previously, I dreaded having to make the decision at the start of an app: "is this app complex enough that I have to pay the tax of using a state manager?", where there's two very different ways of writing the application and I had to cross my fingers whether I'd made the right choice. The solution to this dilemma with Solenya, has been to make the tax of having state management so low that it's always on, whether the application is big or small.

pickle-ts 7y ago

Hi, author of Solenya here. Thanks for the post. For anyone interested, here'a a few more links: Main page w/ links to other resources: https://www.solenya.org/ https://www.solenya.org/ Fun example app built w/ solenya: deep learning to recognize digits in your browser: https://www.solenya.org/deep-learning https://www.solenya.org/deep-learning Real world app built w/ solenya: code music in your browser: https://www.motifn.com/ https://www.motifn.com/