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Put it on your resume. Gloss over the fact you got fired. Don't mention it. To answer the "why did you leave" question just say you felt it was time to move on

Put it on your resume. Gloss over the fact you got fired. Don't mention it. To answer the "why did you leave" question just say you felt it was time to move on and get more experience elsewhere. If they actually check references (assuming the company is still around) and ask why you didn't tell them you were fired go into detail then, explaining it was a "challenging company to work for", there were "management issues that lead to 30% of people leaving" before you joined, and in fact your firing may not have even been legal. You shouldn't lie during an interview, but you're under no obligation to be so openly honest by offering additional details that you do yourself a disservice getting another job. I.e. If they ask you directly "were you fired from your last job?" I'd answer "the job was challenging. Let me elaborate...", etc. and if pressed actually say you were fired. But if they don't ask you that direct question, just don't mention or allude to the fact you were fired. At least that's how I'd play it. Incidentally the same thing applies with "what were you earning?". Always ignore the question and deflect. Answer the question you wanted to hear which is "how much do you want?" and deflect. E.g. The correct answer is "I'm looking for $xx,000. So what sort of tech are they using?". If they press you for a figure just say you don't feel it's relevant because you took that job for a variety of reasons, but you're looking to make $xx,000. If they won't let it drop walk away unless it's megacorp that you're desperate to work for. "What's the minimum we can pay you?" is the most valuable piece of information a potential employer can find out about you and the last thing you should tell them.

tjansen 7y ago
management issues that lead to 30% of people leaving Agreed, but it would even be better to give a numbers, like 5 of the 15 members quit, so it doesn't look like you're exagerating. If you need to say something negative about your old employer, try to focus on facts and give details to make it more credible (and then steer the conversation to a more positive topic as soon as possible).
leesec 7y ago
I like your advice except for the "you're looking to make $xx,000'. NEVER say the first number IMO. The reason being is that it limits you to X% (prolly 5-10) range around that number. If you say I'm looking to make 80k, and they were going to offer you 120k, what do you think they're going to offer you now? Deflect until they say a number and then think carefully about making your counter.
- clinta 7y ago
  What are your strategies for tactfully deflecting this question? Personally I try to start a discussion about how important benefits are to me, and the fact that they can make comparing salaries between companies meaningless, so I can't really talk about pay expectations until I have a good understanding of the full compensation package. But I'd love to hear some other approaches to go to.
  - nprateem 7y ago
    Are benefits that important? You can't spend Nespressos and table football. It's different if you mean equity/pay/overtime, etc. that sort of financial bundle. The other stuff is just window dressing that the company keeps after you move on. I'd put it firmly in the nice-to-have category.
    - clinta 7y ago
      I mean health benefits specifically. I have a child with special needs. The difference between his therapy covered with or without coinsurance can be 20k per year out of my pocket. *Edit: Of course this isn't something I want to let a prospective employer know, so I try to keep it generic by referencing benefits.
  - leesec 7y ago
    Yeah usually something along these lines, if they press on first number I'd say something like, "I'm open to considering a variety of offers, but I'd have to see what the whole package looks like, and I'd really be interested in hearing more about the company first." https://haseebq.com/my-ten-rules-for-negotiating-a-job-offer/ https://haseebq.com/my-ten-rules-for-negotiating-a-job-offer... I don't know if this is the specific article addressing that question, but this guys writing on negotiations was very helpful to me.
    - clinta 7y ago
      Thank you for this. This was very helpful.

tjansen 7y ago

management issues that lead to 30% of people leaving Agreed, but it would even be better to give a numbers, like 5 of the 15 members quit, so it doesn't look like you're exagerating. If you need to say something negative about your old employer, try to focus on facts and give details to make it more credible (and then steer the conversation to a more positive topic as soon as possible).

leesec 7y ago

I like your advice except for the "you're looking to make $xx,000'. NEVER say the first number IMO. The reason being is that it limits you to X% (prolly 5-10) range around that number. If you say I'm looking to make 80k, and they were going to offer you 120k, what do you think they're going to offer you now? Deflect until they say a number and then think carefully about making your counter.

clinta 7y ago
What are your strategies for tactfully deflecting this question? Personally I try to start a discussion about how important benefits are to me, and the fact that they can make comparing salaries between companies meaningless, so I can't really talk about pay expectations until I have a good understanding of the full compensation package. But I'd love to hear some other approaches to go to.
- nprateem 7y ago
  Are benefits that important? You can't spend Nespressos and table football. It's different if you mean equity/pay/overtime, etc. that sort of financial bundle. The other stuff is just window dressing that the company keeps after you move on. I'd put it firmly in the nice-to-have category.
  - clinta 7y ago
    I mean health benefits specifically. I have a child with special needs. The difference between his therapy covered with or without coinsurance can be 20k per year out of my pocket. *Edit: Of course this isn't something I want to let a prospective employer know, so I try to keep it generic by referencing benefits.
- leesec 7y ago
  Yeah usually something along these lines, if they press on first number I'd say something like, "I'm open to considering a variety of offers, but I'd have to see what the whole package looks like, and I'd really be interested in hearing more about the company first." https://haseebq.com/my-ten-rules-for-negotiating-a-job-offer/ https://haseebq.com/my-ten-rules-for-negotiating-a-job-offer... I don't know if this is the specific article addressing that question, but this guys writing on negotiations was very helpful to me.
  - clinta 7y ago
    Thank you for this. This was very helpful.