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As a consumer I'm glad that Apple would not let Verizon pre-load their crapware on the iPhone. If only other manufacturers could do the same. Unfortunately they

by 37prime 16y ago

As a consumer I'm glad that Apple would not let Verizon pre-load their crapware on the iPhone. If only other manufacturers could do the same. Unfortunately they are not in the same position with Apple. As a matter of fact, Apple will not Verizon the iPhone if they do not agree to that. I love using the Nexus One with its pure Google-Android experience. I have yet to upgrade to Nexus S.

hoag 16y ago
Agreed. The biggest issue I have with a V-powered iPhone is the inability to simultaneously engage in voice and data activities due to CDMA's limitations. That I also routinely average around 3 Mbit/sec on AT&T 3G and peak at 5-6 Mbit/sec gives me no desire to switch. Also like the fact that I can use the GSM iPhone internationally.
- rdouble 16y ago
  Also like the fact that I can use the GSM iPhone internationally. The AT&T iPhone has been a disappointment for international travel. The international data plan is a terrible deal, and it seems to be impossible to carrier unlock without also jailbreaking. Jailbreak is not a great option if you're an app developer as the jailbreak ties the phone to a specific OS version, and you generally want the latest, or even a beta OS installed. If you want to use local SIMs, your only real option is to buy a phone factory unlocked from somewhere like Singapore. If you know of a way to carrier unlock without jailbreaking, let me know!
  - joewest 16y ago
    Agreed. You can buy an unlocked iPhone in Canada, which may be more convenient for you.
    - rdouble 16y ago
      I did some research into this, and seems like Hong Kong and Singapore are the least expensive. Canada is not too bad if you're in the USA (I'm in Australia.)
  - pedanticfreak 16y ago
    I want to echo that the AT&T iPhone is hugely disappointing when traveling internationally due to the outrageous cost of AT&T's roaming plans. Data is prohibitively expensive. Think $1 per megabyte (not a typo, mega-byte). That's $200 for 200 MB or $2,000 for 2 GB. Voice calls are usually $1 per minute. You're pretty much stuck with a very pretty machine that sends $0.50 text messages. Even if you get an unlocked phone, you will most likely only be able to get a voice+text SIM card when traveling. Especially in Europe, only full blown plans included any amount of data. And every damn country requires a new SIM. Absolutely painful and honestly not that valuable. You might just gain ever so slightly cheaper calls and texts to local phones, and absolutely nothing if you want to call back home. Verizon Global phones, on the other hand, are amazing. AMAZING! You pay $80 per month for unlimited data. Yes, UNLIMITED international data. And Verizon will prorate your fees for only the days that you travel and also discount you the cost of your existing data plan during these days. Otherwise it is the same as AT&T, but this is a HUGE difference. If you travel and want to use data then Verizon is the way to go. You just need a Global phone, and unfortunately the iPhone isn't one of them.
    - haberman 16y ago
      > Even if you get an unlocked phone, you will most likely only be able to get a voice+text SIM card when traveling. Especially in Europe, only full blown plans included any amount of data. This is totally untrue. I traveled to England last year with my Nexus One, bought a T-Mobile SIM card, and got unlimited data for a week for something absurd like £1 ($1.50) a day, after paying for the $20 SIM. https://www.britishsims.com/T-Mobile_SIM.html https://www.britishsims.com/T-Mobile_SIM.html
      - pedanticfreak 16y ago
        Totally untrue? So one country in Europe works therefore all the other countries do as well? I would welcome more countries adding a plan like the one you described. But so far that's the only one I've seen. By comparison the Verizon plan supports over 200 countries. You just go (after enabling Global Roaming, of course) and your phone recognizes the new towers automatically. You don't have to buy a new SIM card, hope this country's carrier has some kind of non-outrageous data plan, and so on. I think SIM switching is works best for people who move to one place for reasonably long periods of time and know a decent number of local people they want to call/text. For example I know a few people who are from Taiwan who go back for a few months at a time to visit family. Getting a local SIM for those few months is really nice. But getting a SIM for France for a week then another SIM for Spain for three days and another SIM for Italy for a week. That's just a pain in the ass.
  - billpaetzke 16y ago
    Infographic of countries with factory-unlocked iPhones and their prices: http://www.cutviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/02081001.png http://www.cutviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/02081001.... Cheapest: #1 Hong Kong #2 Singapore #3 Canada #4 Switzerland Looks like the all the iPhones have the same radios. So, if an unlocked iPhone doesn't work on 3G with your current carrier (i.e. T-Mobile in the US), then you won't be able to find an iPhone anywhere that does. From the Apple site (I verified with the top 4 cheapest countries): * 3G Support: UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz) * 2G Support: GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
  - hoag 16y ago
    Excuse me, I misspoke (mis-wrote?) ... I meant to write that I could -- theoretically -- use the iPhone internationally. In fact precisely because of the exorbitant costs, I have rarely ever done so, and any event, never for anything other than text messaging. I just meant that at least, being a GSM phone, the capability is available. I didn't even realize Verizon had global phones -- how does that work? Are they dual band CDMA / GSM? -- so thank you for sharing this with me. Time to rescind that entire last clause of what I wrote it looks like. :) Would edit that previous post but I guess after a certain time edits are not possible(?).
    - jrockway 16y ago
      Yes, Verizon sells dual-band phones. I have a Blackberry from Verizon for work, and it's CDMA/GSM, with the GSM specifically for international roaming.
  - ryanpetrich 16y ago
    Buying an unlocked iPhone in Canada is probably easier.
jra101 16y ago
The annoying thing is even the Nexus One comes with preinstalled apps that you cannot remove. Specifically: Amazon MP3, Twitter, and Facebook.
- alexmat 16y ago
  You can remove them using Titanium Backup or something similar if you have root: http://www.appbrain.com/app/titanium-backup-%E2%98%85-root/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup http://www.appbrain.com/app/titanium-backup-%E2%98%85-root/c...
- 37prime 16y ago
  Twitter was pre-installed on Nexus One? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember seeing it out of the Box. As for as default Facebook installation and integration is a bad idea. I really hate that.
  - steveklabnik 16y ago
    I purchased a Nexus One shortly after launch, and it did not come with Twitter installed. In fact, the Twitter app didn't exist then. I _did_ however do a hard reset the other day (ugh...) and all of my stuff was gone. Twitter, Amazon, and Angry Birds Holiday seemed to still be there... But looking at my phone now, a bunch of other apps that I had downloaded are back, mysteriously. I dunno.
    - drivebyacct2 16y ago
      It's a feature. No, really. When you sync your Google account, it redownloads your apps.
      - steveklabnik 16y ago
        That's pretty awesome. I guess it happens in the background?
  - jra101 16y ago

by 37prime 16y ago

hoag 16y ago

Agreed. The biggest issue I have with a V-powered iPhone is the inability to simultaneously engage in voice and data activities due to CDMA's limitations. That I also routinely average around 3 Mbit/sec on AT&T 3G and peak at 5-6 Mbit/sec gives me no desire to switch. Also like the fact that I can use the GSM iPhone internationally.

rdouble 16y ago
Also like the fact that I can use the GSM iPhone internationally. The AT&T iPhone has been a disappointment for international travel. The international data plan is a terrible deal, and it seems to be impossible to carrier unlock without also jailbreaking. Jailbreak is not a great option if you're an app developer as the jailbreak ties the phone to a specific OS version, and you generally want the latest, or even a beta OS installed. If you want to use local SIMs, your only real option is to buy a phone factory unlocked from somewhere like Singapore. If you know of a way to carrier unlock without jailbreaking, let me know!
- joewest 16y ago
  Agreed. You can buy an unlocked iPhone in Canada, which may be more convenient for you.
  - rdouble 16y ago
    I did some research into this, and seems like Hong Kong and Singapore are the least expensive. Canada is not too bad if you're in the USA (I'm in Australia.)
- pedanticfreak 16y ago
  I want to echo that the AT&T iPhone is hugely disappointing when traveling internationally due to the outrageous cost of AT&T's roaming plans. Data is prohibitively expensive. Think $1 per megabyte (not a typo, mega-byte). That's $200 for 200 MB or $2,000 for 2 GB. Voice calls are usually $1 per minute. You're pretty much stuck with a very pretty machine that sends $0.50 text messages. Even if you get an unlocked phone, you will most likely only be able to get a voice+text SIM card when traveling. Especially in Europe, only full blown plans included any amount of data. And every damn country requires a new SIM. Absolutely painful and honestly not that valuable. You might just gain ever so slightly cheaper calls and texts to local phones, and absolutely nothing if you want to call back home. Verizon Global phones, on the other hand, are amazing. AMAZING! You pay $80 per month for unlimited data. Yes, UNLIMITED international data. And Verizon will prorate your fees for only the days that you travel and also discount you the cost of your existing data plan during these days. Otherwise it is the same as AT&T, but this is a HUGE difference. If you travel and want to use data then Verizon is the way to go. You just need a Global phone, and unfortunately the iPhone isn't one of them.
  - haberman 16y ago
    > Even if you get an unlocked phone, you will most likely only be able to get a voice+text SIM card when traveling. Especially in Europe, only full blown plans included any amount of data. This is totally untrue. I traveled to England last year with my Nexus One, bought a T-Mobile SIM card, and got unlimited data for a week for something absurd like £1 ($1.50) a day, after paying for the $20 SIM. https://www.britishsims.com/T-Mobile_SIM.html https://www.britishsims.com/T-Mobile_SIM.html
    - pedanticfreak 16y ago
      Totally untrue? So one country in Europe works therefore all the other countries do as well? I would welcome more countries adding a plan like the one you described. But so far that's the only one I've seen. By comparison the Verizon plan supports over 200 countries. You just go (after enabling Global Roaming, of course) and your phone recognizes the new towers automatically. You don't have to buy a new SIM card, hope this country's carrier has some kind of non-outrageous data plan, and so on. I think SIM switching is works best for people who move to one place for reasonably long periods of time and know a decent number of local people they want to call/text. For example I know a few people who are from Taiwan who go back for a few months at a time to visit family. Getting a local SIM for those few months is really nice. But getting a SIM for France for a week then another SIM for Spain for three days and another SIM for Italy for a week. That's just a pain in the ass.
- billpaetzke 16y ago
  Infographic of countries with factory-unlocked iPhones and their prices: http://www.cutviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/02081001.png http://www.cutviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/02081001.... Cheapest: #1 Hong Kong #2 Singapore #3 Canada #4 Switzerland Looks like the all the iPhones have the same radios. So, if an unlocked iPhone doesn't work on 3G with your current carrier (i.e. T-Mobile in the US), then you won't be able to find an iPhone anywhere that does. From the Apple site (I verified with the top 4 cheapest countries): * 3G Support: UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz) * 2G Support: GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
- hoag 16y ago
  Excuse me, I misspoke (mis-wrote?) ... I meant to write that I could -- theoretically -- use the iPhone internationally. In fact precisely because of the exorbitant costs, I have rarely ever done so, and any event, never for anything other than text messaging. I just meant that at least, being a GSM phone, the capability is available. I didn't even realize Verizon had global phones -- how does that work? Are they dual band CDMA / GSM? -- so thank you for sharing this with me. Time to rescind that entire last clause of what I wrote it looks like. :) Would edit that previous post but I guess after a certain time edits are not possible(?).
  - jrockway 16y ago
    Yes, Verizon sells dual-band phones. I have a Blackberry from Verizon for work, and it's CDMA/GSM, with the GSM specifically for international roaming.
- ryanpetrich 16y ago
  Buying an unlocked iPhone in Canada is probably easier.

jra101 16y ago

The annoying thing is even the Nexus One comes with preinstalled apps that you cannot remove. Specifically: Amazon MP3, Twitter, and Facebook.

alexmat 16y ago
You can remove them using Titanium Backup or something similar if you have root: http://www.appbrain.com/app/titanium-backup-%E2%98%85-root/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup http://www.appbrain.com/app/titanium-backup-%E2%98%85-root/c...
37prime 16y ago
Twitter was pre-installed on Nexus One? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember seeing it out of the Box. As for as default Facebook installation and integration is a bad idea. I really hate that.
- steveklabnik 16y ago
  I purchased a Nexus One shortly after launch, and it did not come with Twitter installed. In fact, the Twitter app didn't exist then. I _did_ however do a hard reset the other day (ugh...) and all of my stuff was gone. Twitter, Amazon, and Angry Birds Holiday seemed to still be there... But looking at my phone now, a bunch of other apps that I had downloaded are back, mysteriously. I dunno.
  - drivebyacct2 16y ago
    It's a feature. No, really. When you sync your Google account, it redownloads your apps.
    - steveklabnik 16y ago
      That's pretty awesome. I guess it happens in the background?
- jra101 16y ago