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Absolutely not. I don't download Windows updates from "enthusiasts" or "the community", and I don't consider community security patches to be "solid software su

Absolutely not. I don't download Windows updates from "enthusiasts" or "the community", and I don't consider community security patches to be "solid software support". There's nothing wrong with LineageOS and I'm not criticizing their work. They do a great job keeping phones supported past the time when manufacturers have dropped support. But the Android community is far too willing to trust ROMs downloaded from forums that include who-knows-what and calling it "solid software support". Solid software support is updates from the manufacturer, the company I originally trusted to provide updates when I bought the phone. If I have to rely on the work of people who once called themselves "Team Douche" [1] because the company who released the original software has stopped support, I'm not considering that "solid software support". [1] https://www.talkandroid.com/16074-modders-round-table-with-team-douche-makers-of-cyanogenmod/ https://www.talkandroid.com/16074-modders-round-table-with-t...

tracker1 7y ago
But Debian images are from enthusiasts and the community. Also, your windows updates don't come from HP, and they often break things. Lineage isn't much different than most Linux distributions. My guess is maybe you'd be happier with an iThing.
secondtom 7y ago
Conflating LineageOS with forum sourced ROMs is FUD, and the vast majority of servers are run on software from the efforts of the "the community".
- CDSlice 7y ago
  You mean the community of companies that pay people to work on Linux? Most people working on it today aren't volunteers
- freehunter 7y ago
  >Conflating LineageOS with forum sourced ROMs is FUD Nonsense. CyanogenMod started off as a forum-sourced ROM on XDA just like anything else [1]. It may have grown beyond that, but only because people blindly trusted it and installed it on their phones 10 years ago, and XDA is still distributing hacked ROMs in the exact same fashion today. [1] https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204
rossy 7y ago
You don't download Windows updates from your laptop manufacturer either (unless you have a Surface.) Comparing LineageOS with the custom ROMs on XDA really misrepresents their professionalism. LineageOS development does not take place on XDA. It takes place on their own infrastructure like any other high-quality open source operating system. Builds are made from public sources and signed by their build server (they definitely don't just include "who-knows-what.") They ship security patches faster than any manufacturer (except Google,) and I don't see any reason not to trust them as much as or more than your manufacturer. LOS-supported phones are well supported.
- freehunter 7y ago
  >You don't download Windows updates from your laptop manufacturer either True, but that's a minor difference. The normal way to get Android OS updates is through your device manufacturer, like the normal way to get Windows updates is from Microsoft. The normal way to get Windows updates is not from a torrent found on some random forum, and that's not the normal way to get Android updates either. >Comparing LineageOS with the custom ROMs on XDA really misrepresents their professionalism I agree and that's why I said I'm not calling them out... but again they're not the normal way to get OS updates. It's out-of-band and while LineageOS may be professional, it's not professional to have to abandon the normal update mechanism just to continue to receive OS updates. LineageOS is still community support, and community support is not "solid software support". It's community support.
  - rossy 7y ago
    What's normal shouldn't really matter. If anything, the "normal" way of receving Android updates from your manufacturer is kind of bad. I bet if laptops followed the same model, you'd see exactly the same things, like late security updates and devices losing support after two-three years. In general, I think I'd rather see my OS distributed by people who make software rather than people who make hardware. > I agree and that's why I said I'm not calling them out You kind of are. You've mentioned that you don't want to download OS updates from forums a number of times in response to people mentioning LineageOS, but official LOS ports are not distributed through forums (or torrents for that matter.) You also brought up an old, somewhat embarrassing name that their development team apparently used to call themselves. It seems a lot like you're trying to discredit them.

tracker1 7y ago

But Debian images are from enthusiasts and the community. Also, your windows updates don't come from HP, and they often break things. Lineage isn't much different than most Linux distributions. My guess is maybe you'd be happier with an iThing.

secondtom 7y ago

Conflating LineageOS with forum sourced ROMs is FUD, and the vast majority of servers are run on software from the efforts of the "the community".

CDSlice 7y ago
You mean the community of companies that pay people to work on Linux? Most people working on it today aren't volunteers
freehunter 7y ago
>Conflating LineageOS with forum sourced ROMs is FUD Nonsense. CyanogenMod started off as a forum-sourced ROM on XDA just like anything else [1]. It may have grown beyond that, but only because people blindly trusted it and installed it on their phones 10 years ago, and XDA is still distributing hacked ROMs in the exact same fashion today. [1] https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204

rossy 7y ago

You don't download Windows updates from your laptop manufacturer either (unless you have a Surface.) Comparing LineageOS with the custom ROMs on XDA really misrepresents their professionalism. LineageOS development does not take place on XDA. It takes place on their own infrastructure like any other high-quality open source operating system. Builds are made from public sources and signed by their build server (they definitely don't just include "who-knows-what.") They ship security patches faster than any manufacturer (except Google,) and I don't see any reason not to trust them as much as or more than your manufacturer. LOS-supported phones are well supported.

freehunter 7y ago
>You don't download Windows updates from your laptop manufacturer either True, but that's a minor difference. The normal way to get Android OS updates is through your device manufacturer, like the normal way to get Windows updates is from Microsoft. The normal way to get Windows updates is not from a torrent found on some random forum, and that's not the normal way to get Android updates either. >Comparing LineageOS with the custom ROMs on XDA really misrepresents their professionalism I agree and that's why I said I'm not calling them out... but again they're not the normal way to get OS updates. It's out-of-band and while LineageOS may be professional, it's not professional to have to abandon the normal update mechanism just to continue to receive OS updates. LineageOS is still community support, and community support is not "solid software support". It's community support.
- rossy 7y ago
  What's normal shouldn't really matter. If anything, the "normal" way of receving Android updates from your manufacturer is kind of bad. I bet if laptops followed the same model, you'd see exactly the same things, like late security updates and devices losing support after two-three years. In general, I think I'd rather see my OS distributed by people who make software rather than people who make hardware. > I agree and that's why I said I'm not calling them out You kind of are. You've mentioned that you don't want to download OS updates from forums a number of times in response to people mentioning LineageOS, but official LOS ports are not distributed through forums (or torrents for that matter.) You also brought up an old, somewhat embarrassing name that their development team apparently used to call themselves. It seems a lot like you're trying to discredit them.