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>In this particular case - it would depend on having a way to objectively determine teacher's skill level This might be putting the cart before the horse. You

>In this particular case - it would depend on having a way to objectively determine teacher's skill level This might be putting the cart before the horse. You may not find very "high skill level" teachers, but that's not a justifiable reason to not pay them. The way to get high skill level teachers is likely to attract people with high skill with a higher pay. How do we make pay for teachers higher? I don't know exactly, and I don't want to start a political debate, but one idea might be to collect taxes from the giant FAANG companies and use those taxes to pay teachers more, rather than just letting the FAANGs frivolously throw the money around. I think that would be a better use of the money rather than letting billions (or in the case of a commenter here, $11k/month) sit in a bank account doing nothing. >When I think "someone doesn't deserve something" it implies "this should not be so" This is what I'm saying, too, but I think I'm applying it differently. I'm not looking narrowly at a CS grad's salary and saying "this should not be so". I'm looking at CS grad salaries in relation to salaries of other crucial-to-society professions like teachers, and saying that the disparity "should not be so".

balfirevic 7y ago
You have already started a political debate with your first comment, whether you wanted to or not. But I just want to notice that you seem very willing to command other people's money based on the most casual of observations and lot of emotion. That will not lead to a good place, policy wise.
- tidepod12 7y ago
  Wait, what? Pointing out that CS grads make more money than teacher is political? This reminds me of a HN post a few weeks ago about how SFers have the tendency to take a discussion about anything and see it as political. >But I just want to notice that you seem very willing to command other people's money At no point other than the comment that was written in response to your question asking how I would allocate money have I suggested "commanding" anyone else's money. It's very disingenuous of you to ask me a question, and then use the fact that I responded to that question as means to bash me.
  - balfirevic 7y ago
    > 22 and 23 year olds making $200k+ a year? For doing what, exactly? > Meanwhile teachers, researchers, nurses etc (of which many also live in SF, by the way) are making pennies and some literally starving to survive. That is political. It's not an insult, it's just that it's literally about the policies of how we pay teachers, nurses and researchers and how we constrain (or not) large tech salaries. And I'm not from SF, not even from US. > At no point other than the comment that was written in response to your question asking how I would allocate money have I suggested "commanding" anyone else's money. It's very disingenuous of you to ask me a question, and then use the fact that I responded to that question as means to bash me. I never asked you how you would allocate money, I just asked what you mean by "deserve". And BTW, this: "collect taxes from the giant FAANG companies and use those taxes to pay teachers more, rather than just letting the FAANGs frivolously throw the money around" is commanding other peoples money. Also, I don't believe I bashed you, but there would be nothing disingenuous in asking you a question and then bashing you based on the answer. It would just not be nice or appropriate for HN.
    - tidepod12 7y ago
      >That is political. It isn't political. Nothing in my comment at all talks about the policies of how we pay anyone. If you read my words and then your mind took the leap to thinking about those policies, then you apparently have a tendency to politicize things, but that doesn't make my comment political. Regardless, your original statement was that it "started a political debate", and I'll concede that it did apparently do that. >I never asked you how you would allocate money, I just asked what you mean by "deserve". You asked what we could "do about it", referencing teacher pay and allocation of funds for that pay. >Also, I don't believe I bashed you, but there would be nothing disingenuous in asking you a question and then bashing you based on the answer. It would just not be nice or appropriate for HN. You didn't bash me based on the answer, you bashed me for even accepting the premise of the question, a question that you asked.

balfirevic 7y ago

You have already started a political debate with your first comment, whether you wanted to or not. But I just want to notice that you seem very willing to command other people's money based on the most casual of observations and lot of emotion. That will not lead to a good place, policy wise.

tidepod12 7y ago
Wait, what? Pointing out that CS grads make more money than teacher is political? This reminds me of a HN post a few weeks ago about how SFers have the tendency to take a discussion about anything and see it as political. >But I just want to notice that you seem very willing to command other people's money At no point other than the comment that was written in response to your question asking how I would allocate money have I suggested "commanding" anyone else's money. It's very disingenuous of you to ask me a question, and then use the fact that I responded to that question as means to bash me.
- balfirevic 7y ago
  > 22 and 23 year olds making $200k+ a year? For doing what, exactly? > Meanwhile teachers, researchers, nurses etc (of which many also live in SF, by the way) are making pennies and some literally starving to survive. That is political. It's not an insult, it's just that it's literally about the policies of how we pay teachers, nurses and researchers and how we constrain (or not) large tech salaries. And I'm not from SF, not even from US. > At no point other than the comment that was written in response to your question asking how I would allocate money have I suggested "commanding" anyone else's money. It's very disingenuous of you to ask me a question, and then use the fact that I responded to that question as means to bash me. I never asked you how you would allocate money, I just asked what you mean by "deserve". And BTW, this: "collect taxes from the giant FAANG companies and use those taxes to pay teachers more, rather than just letting the FAANGs frivolously throw the money around" is commanding other peoples money. Also, I don't believe I bashed you, but there would be nothing disingenuous in asking you a question and then bashing you based on the answer. It would just not be nice or appropriate for HN.
  - tidepod12 7y ago
    >That is political. It isn't political. Nothing in my comment at all talks about the policies of how we pay anyone. If you read my words and then your mind took the leap to thinking about those policies, then you apparently have a tendency to politicize things, but that doesn't make my comment political. Regardless, your original statement was that it "started a political debate", and I'll concede that it did apparently do that. >I never asked you how you would allocate money, I just asked what you mean by "deserve". You asked what we could "do about it", referencing teacher pay and allocation of funds for that pay. >Also, I don't believe I bashed you, but there would be nothing disingenuous in asking you a question and then bashing you based on the answer. It would just not be nice or appropriate for HN. You didn't bash me based on the answer, you bashed me for even accepting the premise of the question, a question that you asked.