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AKA "Eating at restaurants every day and spending hundreds of dollars on new clothes every month while employing someone else full time to watch your kids gets

by ebg13 7y ago

AKA "Eating at restaurants every day and spending hundreds of dollars on new clothes every month while employing someone else full time to watch your kids gets expensive." Spending $70/day on food is not normal middle class living. Go to the grocery store once in a while. > The parents’ ultimate plan is to send both children to private grade school Are you kidding me?

fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
These people will complain about "the 1%" while being in the .1% globally. It's very strange to watch if you have perspective on global poverty.
- ebg13 7y ago
  I'm more worried that they complain about the local %1 while being in the top %10 locally. Having triple the median household income puts you well past the very upper end of middle class.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Triple? $350K is close to six times the US median of $59K (2016).
zaroth 7y ago
If you think you can eat out with a family of four for $70/day in the city, you are sorely mistaken. When I eat downtown with my family the bill is rarely below $100 with tax and tip for dinner, and that’s a single meal, with no drinks (tap water), and no dessert. Even some place like B.GOOD (higher quality fast food) is going to be $50 unless it’s a “Kids eat Free” night.
- yocheckitdawg 7y ago
  His point is that middle class families aren't eating out anywhere near that much. They go to the grocery store, cook and eat at home.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    My point is a family of 4 can easily spend $50 at the grocery store for 12 meals in a day without being exorbitant. And that’s assuming the two working adults are brown-bagging it at lunch every day and not eating out lunch with team members at least a couple times a week. So $70/day gives you room to eat out as a family maybe once a week, not daily. (No way a family with a 2 and 4 year old are doing that, but that’s kinda besides the point) Of course there are people who claim they eat like a king for $5/day. And I don’t doubt it’s possible, but I doubt it’s common for a middle class family of 4 living in the city who are probably paying Amazon to deliver their groceries.
    - ebg13 7y ago
      $50 gets you two 16oz steaks (two adults can each eat too much steak for lunch AND dinner with that) and 15 or 20 _pounds_ of fresh vegetables at whole foods in the 94107 zip code according to Prime Now. And that's not even accounting for the umpty servings of dry goods like rice and legumes you get per dollar. What do you consider exorbitant? How much food can you eat in a day?
      - zaroth 7y ago
        I’m not sure what you’re looking at... They’re selling USDA Choice strip steak for $18/lb. 2 pounds of steak before cooking isn’t lunch and dinner for two adults. A single bell pepper is $1.50. They’re charging $0.69 for a single damn potato. Broccoli is over $3/lb. These prices are insanely high. And I would assume some of the food you eat in a day is not going to be just bulk produce.
        ebg13 7y ago
        I'm looking at Amazon Prime Now delivery from Whole Foods in 94107. https://imgur.com/eKQXa0Y https://imgur.com/eKQXa0Y - New York Strip steak $10/lb https://imgur.com/GAug7XC https://imgur.com/GAug7XC - Green bell pepper, $1.79/lb https://imgur.com/a/AI2eVqa https://imgur.com/a/AI2eVqa - Broccoli, $1.49/lb https://imgur.com/TP64IDK https://imgur.com/TP64IDK - Onions, $0.79/lb https://imgur.com/a/7ME1g7D https://imgur.com/a/7ME1g7D - Cauliflower, $1.76/lb potatoes, $0.79/lb (tired of making imgur links now) eggplants, $1.69/lb zucchini, $2/lb roma tomatoes, $1.49/lb long grain brown rice (rice freshly delivered from Whole Foods instead of from somewhere saner!), $1.20/lb Of course if you only ever buy the most expensive items and don't fill out your meals, then yes it gets expensive. But not being price sensitive in any way when shopping is like the very definition of being upper class. > 2 pounds of steak before cooking isn’t lunch and dinner for two adults You know that a proper meal isn't _just_ steak, though, right? Brown rice, legumes, vegetables, 8oz meat, spices. 2 Steaks, 2 people, 2 meals.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  Of course you spend a lot of money to eat out, but you don't do that every single day. Even when you hardly cook, you don't have a sit down meal at a restaurant that charges $25/person every day. If I think about the speed I'm usually driving my car, it seems like it's generally 50-60 mph, yet the trip computer consistently says I average half that. Because mentally, I don't weight all the time I spend not going full speed as highly. I think a lot of the budget items are inflated in the same way - the monthly amount sounds like an amount you could spend in a month, but nobody would spend that much every month in perpetuity.
garyiwu 7y ago
Even In-n-Out for a family of 4 is pushing $40 these days. Food costs add up surprisingly quickly even when you cook most of the time. The $1200/month for entertainment/clothes/charity do seem a bit much if they leave you with a net cashflow of only $100/month.
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  Cooking your own burgers costs 10 bucks tops. Going out to eat is a luxury.

by ebg13 7y ago

fuzz4lyfe 7y ago

These people will complain about "the 1%" while being in the .1% globally. It's very strange to watch if you have perspective on global poverty.

ebg13 7y ago
I'm more worried that they complain about the local %1 while being in the top %10 locally. Having triple the median household income puts you well past the very upper end of middle class.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  Triple? $350K is close to six times the US median of $59K (2016).

zaroth 7y ago

If you think you can eat out with a family of four for $70/day in the city, you are sorely mistaken. When I eat downtown with my family the bill is rarely below $100 with tax and tip for dinner, and that’s a single meal, with no drinks (tap water), and no dessert. Even some place like B.GOOD (higher quality fast food) is going to be $50 unless it’s a “Kids eat Free” night.

yocheckitdawg 7y ago
His point is that middle class families aren't eating out anywhere near that much. They go to the grocery store, cook and eat at home.
- zaroth 7y ago
  My point is a family of 4 can easily spend $50 at the grocery store for 12 meals in a day without being exorbitant. And that’s assuming the two working adults are brown-bagging it at lunch every day and not eating out lunch with team members at least a couple times a week. So $70/day gives you room to eat out as a family maybe once a week, not daily. (No way a family with a 2 and 4 year old are doing that, but that’s kinda besides the point) Of course there are people who claim they eat like a king for $5/day. And I don’t doubt it’s possible, but I doubt it’s common for a middle class family of 4 living in the city who are probably paying Amazon to deliver their groceries.
  - ebg13 7y ago
    $50 gets you two 16oz steaks (two adults can each eat too much steak for lunch AND dinner with that) and 15 or 20 _pounds_ of fresh vegetables at whole foods in the 94107 zip code according to Prime Now. And that's not even accounting for the umpty servings of dry goods like rice and legumes you get per dollar. What do you consider exorbitant? How much food can you eat in a day?
    - zaroth 7y ago
      I’m not sure what you’re looking at... They’re selling USDA Choice strip steak for $18/lb. 2 pounds of steak before cooking isn’t lunch and dinner for two adults. A single bell pepper is $1.50. They’re charging $0.69 for a single damn potato. Broccoli is over $3/lb. These prices are insanely high. And I would assume some of the food you eat in a day is not going to be just bulk produce.
      - ebg13 7y ago
        I'm looking at Amazon Prime Now delivery from Whole Foods in 94107. https://imgur.com/eKQXa0Y https://imgur.com/eKQXa0Y - New York Strip steak $10/lb https://imgur.com/GAug7XC https://imgur.com/GAug7XC - Green bell pepper, $1.79/lb https://imgur.com/a/AI2eVqa https://imgur.com/a/AI2eVqa - Broccoli, $1.49/lb https://imgur.com/TP64IDK https://imgur.com/TP64IDK - Onions, $0.79/lb https://imgur.com/a/7ME1g7D https://imgur.com/a/7ME1g7D - Cauliflower, $1.76/lb potatoes, $0.79/lb (tired of making imgur links now) eggplants, $1.69/lb zucchini, $2/lb roma tomatoes, $1.49/lb long grain brown rice (rice freshly delivered from Whole Foods instead of from somewhere saner!), $1.20/lb Of course if you only ever buy the most expensive items and don't fill out your meals, then yes it gets expensive. But not being price sensitive in any way when shopping is like the very definition of being upper class. > 2 pounds of steak before cooking isn’t lunch and dinner for two adults You know that a proper meal isn't _just_ steak, though, right? Brown rice, legumes, vegetables, 8oz meat, spices. 2 Steaks, 2 people, 2 meals.
perl4ever 7y ago
Of course you spend a lot of money to eat out, but you don't do that every single day. Even when you hardly cook, you don't have a sit down meal at a restaurant that charges $25/person every day. If I think about the speed I'm usually driving my car, it seems like it's generally 50-60 mph, yet the trip computer consistently says I average half that. Because mentally, I don't weight all the time I spend not going full speed as highly. I think a lot of the budget items are inflated in the same way - the monthly amount sounds like an amount you could spend in a month, but nobody would spend that much every month in perpetuity.

garyiwu 7y ago

Even In-n-Out for a family of 4 is pushing $40 these days. Food costs add up surprisingly quickly even when you cook most of the time. The $1200/month for entertainment/clothes/charity do seem a bit much if they leave you with a net cashflow of only $100/month.

whenchamenia 7y ago
Cooking your own burgers costs 10 bucks tops. Going out to eat is a luxury.