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And furthermore, content creators are going to be asking these exact same questions.

by randall 16y ago

jrockway 16y ago
I'm a content creator. The question I had before is, "why should I pay money for a fucking video format". Now the answer is, "you shouldn't". Hating Google is pretty low on my todo list.
- moxiemk1 16y ago
  Video formats are extremely complex and require huge amounts of expertise to make. With your logic, why should I pay money for content? So far, it seems to be impossible to prevent ripping and transcoding, so maybe the answer would be "you shouldn't".
  - nitrogen 16y ago
    Actually, AIUI a lot of the concepts in modern codecs have been tossed around academia for quite a long time. See this highly informative and empowering video: http://xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml http://xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml
  - pornel 16y ago
    > Video formats are extremely complex and require huge amounts of expertise to make. And yet, we have volunteers with knowledge who are constrained by patents (I'm sure x264 guys could come up with an awesome codec, and Theora team could do much better if they weren't limited to technology they got patents for), And we have companies willing to support development of codecs (BBC Dirac, Google) which, again, are constrained by patents.
- ZeroGravitas 16y ago
  The one that gets me is paying to move a file across the internet. I've still not seen a good explanation of how that is possible even given the existence of patents on the process of creating or displaying the file at either end. (And note, you still have to pay this if you charge for access to the video or your site as a whole).
  - blasdel 16y ago
    They make it a condition of licensing you the ability to encode or decode the video — contract law. If you read the EULAs and such on even a piece of 'professional' software like Final Cut Studio or Avid, it'll describe how the encoder is only licensed for personal use and that someone else in your distribution chain needs a different contractual arrangement with them, along with whoever's on the playback end.
- tmugavero 16y ago
  How much have you paid for using H.264? Just curious.

And furthermore, content creators are going to be asking these exact same questions.

by randall 16y ago

And furthermore, content creators are going to be asking these exact same questions.

I'm a content creator. The question I had before is, "why should I pay money for a fucking video format". Now the answer is, "you shouldn't". Hating Google is pretty low on my todo list.

moxiemk1 16y ago
Video formats are extremely complex and require huge amounts of expertise to make. With your logic, why should I pay money for content? So far, it seems to be impossible to prevent ripping and transcoding, so maybe the answer would be "you shouldn't".
- nitrogen 16y ago
  Actually, AIUI a lot of the concepts in modern codecs have been tossed around academia for quite a long time. See this highly informative and empowering video: http://xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml http://xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml
- pornel 16y ago
  > Video formats are extremely complex and require huge amounts of expertise to make. And yet, we have volunteers with knowledge who are constrained by patents (I'm sure x264 guys could come up with an awesome codec, and Theora team could do much better if they weren't limited to technology they got patents for), And we have companies willing to support development of codecs (BBC Dirac, Google) which, again, are constrained by patents.
ZeroGravitas 16y ago
The one that gets me is paying to move a file across the internet. I've still not seen a good explanation of how that is possible even given the existence of patents on the process of creating or displaying the file at either end. (And note, you still have to pay this if you charge for access to the video or your site as a whole).
- blasdel 16y ago
  They make it a condition of licensing you the ability to encode or decode the video — contract law. If you read the EULAs and such on even a piece of 'professional' software like Final Cut Studio or Avid, it'll describe how the encoder is only licensed for personal use and that someone else in your distribution chain needs a different contractual arrangement with them, along with whoever's on the playback end.
tmugavero 16y ago
How much have you paid for using H.264? Just curious.